Lets assume for a second you are correct that there is some mass conspiracy that went on against you in the Amiga community.  How does that explain away that the video game console discussion community has independently come to the same conclusions about you?  My conclusions are based on the many posts of yours I have recently read from both arenas of discussion.  Seeing others share the same impression is merely a re-inforcement.  But many of those impressions/determinations from folks are from boards like VGChartz and Neogaf, from people not involved and unaware with your trolling in the Amiga forums and what you got for it there.  They came to the same exact conclusions about you all on their own.  That leads one to a simple conclusion, that you continue to troll in the same manner now as you did then, the subject matter is just different.  (And from reading many of these posts at this point for myself, I can say its true IMO).

Honestly, how can you blame a MorphOS review that Guiding Light and all the other folks in this game console community likely never read, to them coming to the same exact conclusions about you that the Amiga community did years ago?  Again, thats a rhetorical question because the answer is plain.  You self-reflect?  Yeah right.

@ Ausfalcon

I think you fail to understand that with almost whatever you write you will see people who agree with you and those who don't. And even in the end if you end up being right, those who didn't agree often get even more upset.

For example I could have said I thought President Bush was a very bad President, obviously a majority of Americans didn't agree as he was voted into office again. However in the end most Americans agreed he wasn't the right President for the country, but those who still stick by Bush (nomatter the evidence) will not be all too friendly to those who said so from the beginning.

Similarly in a couple of years general perspectives on the PS3 hardware may be completely different (games like Killzone 2 already helped a lot). IMO it's nothing to get too personal or emotional about.

I certainly don't fail to understand that Mike, that people will agree and disagree with anyone, wherever they go in life.

This has nothing to do with the fact that you don't participate honestly and fairly in said discussions.  Thats what makes you a troll.  Its not your love of PS3 and Sony thats makes you a troll.  Its what you do, sometimes actively, and sometimes through omission when you pretend to honestly engage in whats intended to be fair and open discussions.

Guiding Light's assesment in this thread is spot-on and its an assesment that has been written about you almost anywhere that I found you spent any time at on an internet forum by multiple unconnected folks.  Its not about the side you chose on any given argument, its about how you conduct yourself that has earned you these identical assesments.

And I'm far from "emotional" about any of this.  I'm just another person in a long line of folks from a variety of places and backgrounds pointing out the same thing to you about yourself.  If history is any guide its not going to change you.  But if what I wrote helped bring in the bigger picture about you here and helps save others some time or at least to know what they are in for in engaging you, then it was a noble thing to do IMO.  And more importantly, the power to change is always within you.  You could strive to chose to troll no longer.

@ Ausfalcon

Well, naturally I don't agree.

I have never hidden my identity, maybe it's now time for you to introduce yourself and your own track record?

Considering your posting history here so far, why exactly shouldn't I consider you just to be an anynomous troll?

 Oh lordy!

More rubbish.

The DVD ROM drives used in the Xbox 360 are 12x. All of them, this is programmed into the firmware. Heck it is even used as a criteria by MS for banning consoles, which is why there is no official iXtreme release of 5x\8x firmware anymore.

I promise you, none of the Xbox 360 DVD drives are reading at 16x.

The drives used aren't commercial models, although they are based on commercial models - where the equivalent PC model may well read SL\DL at 16x. But that is not the point. All Xbox 360 drives, in the name of consistency and noise reduction read at 12x.

I'm not sure if any of you are aware, but many drives released back in the hay day of CD-RW drives were actually the same model with different firmware to limit their write speed. Lite-On used to make drives that could write at 32x and could be hacked to write at 48x with no risk since the only difference between the better model was the firmware.

MikeB's shot in the dark that developers may use the extra speed on the 16x drives (which don't exist just to be clear) just goes to highlight his total and complete lack of understanding on the basics of programming for one box. For a start the code on an Xbox 360 DVD doesn't even have access to the Xbox 360 drives due to the hypervisor in the Xbox 360, there's no way game code would be allowed this kind of data. Not only that but what about when new drives are released, there wouldn't be code to know how to treat that drive? Why do I mention this? Because 12x drives were all that were available 3 years ago with the Samsung\Hitachi drives that were used at the time.

Just entertaining the idea that MikeB is a programmer has me in hysterics. I'm not programmer, done a little bit of C++ in college etc but it only takes someone with a reasonable backing in pc hardware and how systems communicate on my chosen console (I know VERY little) to just say...

I have provided this post as a reference point for others to understand MikeB. This is not my answer to MikeB, I have no need to answer such crazy ideas. It is merely to provide well reasoned "this guy is crazy" material.

WTF.

I don't need to answer you but I will because it's fun.

As I said maybe 1-2 pages ago, I am not certain if the read speed for single layer discs when plugged into a PC is 16x or 12x. This is because...

1.  There is more than 1 different drive on the Xbox 360, at least 5 different models being in production from as far back as 3.5 years at least until today. I'm not like you where I just make sweeping statements on some half arsed assumption\circumstantial evidence.

2. I never tried to read a single layer disc as I have no reason too

3. Single layer disc is only read when using the Xbox 360 to player DVD-Video or Xbox1 games

4. Xbox 360 games do not use single layer discs so it isn't exactly a point that needs arguing either way.

I don't see how you could consider me a troll. I have merrely done my best to dispell your FUD. It looks like Ausfalcon has done an admirable job of showing who you really are. I hope a large portion of the VGchartz community read the posts on the last few pages and make up their own minds about you.Maybe you'll change your ridiculous posting style of lies and deception when enough people just plain ignore what you have to say.

Mike, you have never publically agreed with the tons of other folks who have pointed out how you troll either across multiple sites across varying subject matter.  I certainly don't expect myself to be able to fair any better there.  I've provided links that others can read, and spending about 15 minutes beyond that with google if they care to will provide more of the same.  Let alone the fact that people on this very board were already saying the same thing about you before I ever posted a word here.  They don't need to rely on the assessment of others.  Its all there in how you post.  Those other assessments just may help some folks see your pattern of approach for stealth trolling a bit more quickly. 

Just one last bit of evidence to prove 12x reading...

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=682774&st=30

You will see previous hacked firmwares allowed reading at 5x\8x as I said.

I thought trolls hardly ever post anything to back up what they say.  Usually trolls just say a bunch of crap without evidence.  Ex: Calling someone a troll without proving the data provided is untrue for the sole purpose of trying to discredit them.

Looking at the title of this thread, I know that statement is correct.  Yet, people were basically trying to say he was wrong about this very basic truth.  Why is that?  Why are people fighting the truth with such fervor?  It must be Cognitive Dissonance (CD) at play.

Here is the breakdown of X360 read speed over a DL DVD disc:

First column is diamter in mm, second is area of that volume in square mm's.

119 -----11116.385 <--- Area of DVD in mm (120mm-1mm for buffer)
37 -----1074.665 <--- Area of center (36mm +1mm for buffer)
10041.72 <---- total usable area of DVD9 in square mm

First column is diameter in mm, second is how fast data is read at that point on the disk:

119 -----8x <--- 8x speed at outermost point
37 -----3.3 <--- 3.3x speed at innermost point
78 -----5.65
98.5 -----6.825
88.25 -----6.2375
93.375 -----6.53125
95.9375 -----6.678125 <--- 6.678x pointe where data from here on out is read faster than Blu (6.678*10.8 = 72.1MBps, Blu reads at 72MBps)

95.9375 7225.143066 - center volume (1074.665) = 6150.478066 <--Area of volume that's read slower than Blu, or 61.25% of total usable volume.


38.75% of a DVD9 is read equal to, or faster than 6.78x (which is faster than Blu-ray)

38.75% of 7gigs = 2.71GB