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tarheel91 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Slimebeast said:
SamuelRSmith said:
You know, there's a reason why the majority of people are "PC slaves"

 

 And why is that?

 

Because it's the right thing to do? I don't know about anyone else, but if someone says that they find something offensive, then I won't do/say that thing because I don't want to offend them - I assume that most humans live by these rules, too.

 

I think the counter-argument is that people get offended about minor things that don't really matter and inconvenience everyone else because they're being so difficult about it.

@NoJustNo: She does not want to ban gay marriage.  She disapproves of it personally, but thinks others should have the right to choose.  Try to use a little reading comprehension, please.  It is possible to disapprove of something but not think everyone should not be allowed to do/use it at the same time.

 

Listen, I get what you're trying to say. But that doesnt change the fact she's ignorant for not personally wanting equal rights for all people becasue of her religion or ''the way she's raised.''

It just sickens me.

 




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See, this is the real problem.

It is not the fact that she voiced her opinion that got her into trouble. It is perfectly fine for her to say that her values about marriage should be between a man and a woman, or in her words "opposite marriage." It is also fine that she doesn't want to offend anybody as well. What was not fine was when she said "that is how marriage SHOULD be."

See, I'm also against gay people from "marrying." What I am not against is gay people from being together. The problem from her statement was that people can and will infer that she is inflicting HER own opinion on how OTHER people should live their lives. As a Miss America contestant, she needed to give an answer that will please everybody and nobody at the same time, especially in this kind of question.

A better answer would have been "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman (if this is her opinion), but I also believe that gay couples should be allowed together. Religion already forbids gay people from existing in this specific religion, let alone marry, but it also forbids people from being harsh and demeaning towards anybody, including homosexuals. Gay couples 'marrying' demeans the meaning and occasion of marriage as just 'another definition of being together' for other religious, heterosexuals who are going to marry or already married. If there is another religion that is created for gay couples and allows them to marry, then should be allowed to. But otherwise, allowing them to marry while demeaning the sanctimony of other marriages shouldn't be allowed."

Oh and technically, homosexuals are a danger to humanity. Not sociologically, but evolutionary-wise. If there are more and more homosexuals, there are less and less new babies made. How will humanity survive then?



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insomniac17 said:
WessleWoggle said:
CommunistHater said:
Most of you have been brain washed to be for non-traditional marriage. You are brainwashed by all the media you consume that is fantasy made to look like real life.

Brainwashed to think that those that think different from you are dumb and bigoted from your small exclusive cliques that you belong to.

You're brain washed to think that there's such a thing as 'traditional marriage'. Traditional marriage was between one man and many women. Marriage has been evolving over time. I'm not the brain washed one here. There's no reason gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except for stupid old texts written by men of primitive societies, and people's own irrelivant opinions about it being gross or wrong.

If someone thinks gay marriage is wrong and does not support it, they're a bigot by definition: 'a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.'

What they're a bigot against, gay marriage, is an injustice. I'm a bigot myself, against illogical people. There's no rational basis for why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except ignorant opinions based on cultural or religious values.

 

For once, I actually agree with you. While I am straight, and disagree with the whole thing, I won't pretend like I can decide whether or not gays can marry. If they want to, that's fine with me. There's really no reason, outside of my religion, as to why they can't and my religion isn't everyone's religion. All I ask is that they don't try and force to be a part of my religion (which they have tried to do locally).

@ WessleWoggle's "There's no rational basis for why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except ignorant opinions based on cultural or religious values."

I've been giving this a lot of thought and I wonder as to why said cultural demographic fiercely opposes it. We may never know why they do it and for what reasons, but it clearly seems that many of them, not all of them, but a considerable size of the demographic have 'invested' a whole lot of pride in the issue.

 



pakidan101 said:
See, this is the real problem.

It is not the fact that she voiced her opinion that got her into trouble. It is perfectly fine for her to say that her values about marriage should be between a man and a woman, or in her words "opposite marriage." It is also fine that she doesn't want to offend anybody as well. What was not fine was when she said "that is how marriage SHOULD be."

See, I'm also against gay people from "marrying." What I am not against is gay people from being together. The problem from her statement was that people can and will infer that she is inflicting HER own opinion on how OTHER people should live their lives. As a Miss America contestant, she needed to give an answer that will please everybody and nobody at the same time, especially in this kind of question.

A better answer would have been "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman (if this is her opinion), but I also believe that gay couples should be allowed together. Religion already forbids gay people from existing in this specific religion, let alone marry, but it also forbids people from being harsh and demeaning towards anybody, including homosexuals. Gay couples 'marrying' demeans the meaning and occasion of marriage as just 'another definition of being together' for other religious, heterosexuals who are going to marry or already married. If there is another religion that is created for gay couples and allows them to marry, then should be allowed to. But otherwise, allowing them to marry while demeaning the sanctimony of other marriages shouldn't be allowed."

Oh and technically, homosexuals are a danger to humanity. Not sociologically, but evolutionary-wise. If there are more and more homosexuals, there are less and less new babies made. How will humanity survive then?

um dude, only like ~5% of the population is gay, not exactly threatening. Seeing how it isnt a choice, I don't see that percentage increasing.




nojustno said:
MrBubbles said:
nojustno said:
wfz said:
nojustno said:
wfz said:
Pics?

Anyways, that's pretty lame that she was booed off and called such names by people who are insecure and/or overly sensitive freaks.

It's her opinion and she's entitled to it, everyone else can **** off.

 

True, entitled 100%. She's still a bigot for having that opinion though and certainly didn't deserve to win.

So while she respects and celebrates the fact that people can choose to marry and be with whoever they want, she holds a personal opinion that is different. I don't know why you'd condemn her for that.

 

I understand that people can choose whether or not to drink Alcohol, and I respect that. Personally, I dislike alcohol and I don't think it's a good thing to drink and I stay away from it.

 

Same boat, no?

 

 

I condemn her simply because I think her opinion is backwards and weak. Am I not entitled to think that way?

 

except you are the bigot, not her.

She is a bigot, I'm a bigot, hell even your mother's one.

I'm definitely the lesser of evils though :3

 

All I can say is that I sense a good deal of hypocrisy :/



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tarheel91 said:
WessleWoggle said:
CommunistHater said:
Most of you have been brain washed to be for non-traditional marriage. You are brainwashed by all the media you consume that is fantasy made to look like real life.

Brainwashed to think that those that think different from you are dumb and bigoted from your small exclusive cliques that you belong to.

You're brain washed to think that there's such a thing as 'traditional marriage'. Traditional marriage was between one man and many women. Marriage has been evolving over time. I'm not the brain washed one here. There's no reason gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except for stupid old texts written by men of primitive societies, and people's own irrelivant opinions about it being gross or wrong.

If someone thinks gay marriage is wrong and does not support it, they're a bigot by definition: 'a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.'

What they're a bigot against, gay marriage, is an injustice. I'm a bigot myself, against illogical people. There's no rational basis for why gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, except ignorant opinions based on cultural or religious values.

 


Again, she is not opposed to gay marriage being allowed.  She disapproves of it, but celebrates the fact that people can choose whether or not they want to.  That means, "I don't approve of it, but I think everyone should be able to decide for themselves.  If they want to, they should feel free."

I wasn't talking about this situation. He made a general statement, I made a general statement.

But in reference to this situation, I would not think ill of her opinion, but she said in "my country". gay marriage should be between a man and a woman. She should have left that out, and just said the "in my family" part.

 



Strategyking92 said:
nojustno said:
MrBubbles said:
nojustno said:
wfz said:
nojustno said:
wfz said:
Pics?

Anyways, that's pretty lame that she was booed off and called such names by people who are insecure and/or overly sensitive freaks.

It's her opinion and she's entitled to it, everyone else can **** off.

 

True, entitled 100%. She's still a bigot for having that opinion though and certainly didn't deserve to win.

So while she respects and celebrates the fact that people can choose to marry and be with whoever they want, she holds a personal opinion that is different. I don't know why you'd condemn her for that.

 

I understand that people can choose whether or not to drink Alcohol, and I respect that. Personally, I dislike alcohol and I don't think it's a good thing to drink and I stay away from it.

 

Same boat, no?

 

 

I condemn her simply because I think her opinion is backwards and weak. Am I not entitled to think that way?

 

except you are the bigot, not her.

She is a bigot, I'm a bigot, hell even your mother's one.

I'm definitely the lesser of evils though :3

 

All I can say is that I sense a good deal of hypocrisy :/

Cool story bro, how about actually contributing to the thread instead of pointing fingers.

 




pakidan101 said:
 
Oh and technically, homosexuals are a danger to humanity. Not sociologically, but evolutionary-wise. If there are more and more homosexuals, there are less and less new babies made. How will humanity survive then?

Humanity is well past the survival stage, now we're flourishing.

If anything there should be more homosexuals so we can stop overpopulating the earth.

 



pakidan101 said:
See, this is the real problem.

It is not the fact that she voiced her opinion that got her into trouble. It is perfectly fine for her to say that her values about marriage should be between a man and a woman, or in her words "opposite marriage." It is also fine that she doesn't want to offend anybody as well. What was not fine was when she said "that is how marriage SHOULD be."

See, I'm also against gay people from "marrying." What I am not against is gay people from being together. The problem from her statement was that people can and will infer that she is inflicting HER own opinion on how OTHER people should live their lives. As a Miss America contestant, she needed to give an answer that will please everybody and nobody at the same time, especially in this kind of question.

A better answer would have been "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman (if this is her opinion), but I also believe that gay couples should be allowed together. Religion already forbids gay people from existing in this specific religion, let alone marry, but it also forbids people from being harsh and demeaning towards anybody, including homosexuals. Gay couples 'marrying' demeans the meaning and occasion of marriage as just 'another definition of being together' for other religious, heterosexuals who are going to marry or already married. If there is another religion that is created for gay couples and allows them to marry, then should be allowed to. But otherwise, allowing them to marry while demeaning the sanctimony of other marriages shouldn't be allowed."

Oh and technically, homosexuals are a danger to humanity. Not sociologically, but evolutionary-wise. If there are more and more homosexuals, there are less and less new babies made. How will humanity survive then?

 

I really enjoyed reading your excellent post. You picked up something I didn't notice. Her: "that is how marriage SHOULD be." Kudos to you.

Just keep in mind that the average population growth rate for the world is 1.17%.
A certain percentage of gays poses no real threat. I'm not your typical environmentalist, but I am aware of that a gradual lowering of the planet's total population is not a global disadvantage. Quite on the contrary.

 



nojustno said:
tarheel91 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Slimebeast said:
SamuelRSmith said:
You know, there's a reason why the majority of people are "PC slaves"

 

 And why is that?

 

Because it's the right thing to do? I don't know about anyone else, but if someone says that they find something offensive, then I won't do/say that thing because I don't want to offend them - I assume that most humans live by these rules, too.

 

I think the counter-argument is that people get offended about minor things that don't really matter and inconvenience everyone else because they're being so difficult about it.

@NoJustNo: She does not want to ban gay marriage.  She disapproves of it personally, but thinks others should have the right to choose.  Try to use a little reading comprehension, please.  It is possible to disapprove of something but not think everyone should not be allowed to do/use it at the same time.

 

Listen, I get what you're trying to say. But that doesnt change the fact she's ignorant for not personally wanting equal rights for all people becasue of her religion or ''the way she's raised.''

It just sickens me.

 

 

Actually she said it was great you could choose between straight and gay marriage even though she didn't agree with it.  So "Make it legal even though i don't think people should do it."