My name is Serapheart (I dislike anything to do with FFVII). And I do not discriminate against people. Men can marry women, as it has always been so with the human concept of marriage from the beginning of recorded civilization.

There is no discrimination, and you are damned idiot to think so. A black person couldn't marry a white person back in the day becase they HATED black people (people still do). They segregated black people from white people, and why? To keep them away from the "superior whites". Black people are called african monkeys and literal piles of shit, while white people are called white devils and are hated by black people, just because of the environment based on how we were growing up.

But you cry discrimination?! They're getting as much discrimination as a prostitute gets. But you want to compare that to civil rights, and racism? Are you an idiot? I do not discriminate against other people. Anyman is just as good as another man. It's what they do that makes one man greater than another. But this issue has nothing to do with supremacy of different ethnicities.

This has to do with people wanting to change marriage. I don't know what in hell gay people are trying to gain from getting marriage anyway, besides legal stuff like monay (which is a very greedy cause), because the meaning of marriage is a purely spiritual thing, which goes beyond love and simple family bonds.

My name is Serapheart (I dislike anything to do with FFVII). And I do not discriminate against people. Men can marry women, as it has always been so with the human concept of marriage from the beginning of recorded civilization.

There is no discrimination, and you are damned idiot to think so. A black person couldn't marry a white person back in the day becase they HATED black people (people still do). They segregated black people from white people, and why? To keep them away from the "superior whites". Black people are called african monkeys and literal piles of shit, while white people are called white devils and are hated by black people, just because of the environment based on how we were growing up. 

But you cry discrimination?! They're getting as much discrimination as a prostitute gets. But you want to compare that to civil rights, and racism? Are you an idiot? I do not discriminate against other people. Anyman is just as good as another man. It's what they do that makes one man greater than another. But this issue has nothing to do with supremacy of different ethnicities.

This has to do with people wanting to change marriage. I don't know what in hell gay people are trying to gain from getting marriage anyway, besides legal stuff like monay (which is a very greedy cause), because the meaning of marriage is a purely spiritual thing, which goes beyond love and simple family bonds.

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I don't understand why people are so against it. It's not hurting your rights at all and it won't make straight marriage any less special. It's allowed here and it didn't hurt straight marriage, it doesn't make it less special... Seriously, people are so ignorant! They need to check out places where it's allowed. They need to open their eyes and see that it doesn't hurt them in any way.

That's the thing. There is no gay marriage and straight marriage. That is some stupid division made up by people to validate themselves as being 'devoid' of rights. There is only marriage, as it originally was. Gay marriage degrades what marriage is. It's not about man and woman being the core foundation for a family. It's about sex. Love is what binds people together, yes. But marriage is not about love. Marriage is about creating a Family. That, like all the oldest laws and traditions of Mankind and the Universe would be erroneous to change. Marriage is a fundamental principle. It's sacred. And while i may pass of homosexuality, many people will not accept destroying marriage.

And who are you to decide what marriage is about? I can assure you not everyone marries for the reasons you've put. To me marriage isn't about creating a family. To me, it's a symbol that binds me to the person I love. I don't get how this degrades marriage. How is it bad? Because it doesn't fit your views? Because it's not like tradition? I say we throw tradition out of the window because it's wrong! How do you expect to become a better person if you can't evolve your views, way of thinking, if you don't revolutionize the world? Things aren't meant to be always the same, things are meant to evolve and improve. Like I said, many things wouldn't have happened if people didn't evolve or think differently. And it's people like you that's holding us back, because you can't accept that everything you've believed to be right is flawed and has to be changed.

See evolving, changing your views and such are essencial to humanity. If some people didn't think differently and if nothing would have changed, we would still be ignorant and primitive. Things like equal rights for women and people of other races wouldn't have happened.

Marriage, just like anything else, evolves as well. It's considered to be a bond of two people who love each other here. Everyone should have this right.

Exactly the problem. People can't love each other without being married? If a father loves his child, should they get married? If a guy loves his friend, should they get married? If an aunt loves her coworker, should they get married? No. They are considered to each other 'like family' because that's how families branch off. But Marriage isn't about extending families. Marriage is about creating new ones. Because a man would leave his family to join with a woman, and become one. And together they will create a new family, in unity, something both physical and spiritual.

Don't play dumb, I'm not talking about family, friendship or co-worker type of love. You argument is not only flawed because I could turn it around against you but also, marriage is about the union of people who love each other. The purpose of marriage isn't always only family. And what about gay people who would marry each other and have a family, as they adopt children?

You see, gay people are humans too, they have the same feelings straight people would have towards another, except for the same sex. How is their love different and why shouldn't they be able to express it like they want to? What about the family they want to have? If they want to marry then why not? You're taking their freedom away, you're deciding for them and you're being intolerant towards them because their view of what a marriage means to them doesn't fit yours. Accept that not everyone thinks like you, you aren't everyone and they shouldn't be punished because of of some old foolish ways of thinking.

You keep talking about how YOU view marriage. Words definition aren't set into stone and many have changed over millenia. So why are so so clingy into thinking marriage is something only you should have a right of? Why is it that you don't want to change it? It won't hurt any of your feelings towards it, it only gives freedom to others to do it as well. Why should you be so preoccupied by keeping them from it? Sounds pretty selfish and greedy to me.

And saying gay people, in places where they're not allowed to marry each other, have the same right as straights is just a stupid thing. Sure you both have the right to marry the opposite gender, but the thing gay people are fighting for is the right to marry the person dear to their hearts, the person they love. Taking this away from them, without any logical reason except for "I don't like it, it's like this since millenia or it's not what I believe in" is just horrible.

This just proves where this problem comes from. People have no Idea what marriage is. So they mutilate it like they do everything else. Like Santa Clause on Christmas. It's just wrong and degrading, and it's based off of lies.

So what everything should always be the same and never change even if it's wrong? Don't you realize how insensitive it is to take away people's rights? How is this any different from being racist or sexist? It's the exact same way of thinking. People believed things should be the same, never changed because that's just how they were taught and they didn't know better. They thought things would get worse because they were ignorant about the reality. Marriage shouldn't be some sort of religious only thing... Not only a straight people thing. It should be allowed to anyone who have feelings towards each other and express it.

No one showed any logical response to why marriage between two men or two women shouldn't be allowed. Their only reasons were old beliefs that they think are right just cause they believe it is that way and shouldn't be questioned or changed. Seriously, you sound like you can't even think for yourselves. What makes those beliefs right? Don't you ever question yourselves and try to find answers? What makes that more right than MY definition of marriage or someone else's? You can't decide for others. And that it's wrong and degrading is only your flawed opinion. Plus who are you to know what's true or a lie? Where did you get that from?

Humanity won't grow, mature and be more accepting as long as people won't be wanting to make changes. I'm sure glad that not everyone's like that. I'm sure glad I live in an open minded and tolerent country.

There are a great many black homosexuals who disagree with you, and they don't see a difference between the people who hate them for their race and the people who hate them for their sexuality.  A black gay man could easily tell you that you don't know shit about discrimination like he does, and tell you you're "nothing special" the way you're talking down to gays right now.  When there are black gay men protesting the gay jokes of Eddie Murphy, yes there is a huge intersection of race, gender, and sexuality.

The modern American gay rights and women's rights movements grew directly out of the Civil Rights movement.

You keep calling marriage a silly tradition.  You cannot fathom how insulting that is too so many people around the world.

And you still havent answered my question.  Why do you want to be part of a tradition you call silly so badly?  You realise of course that marriage itself is so closely intertwined with the idea of male-female union that the two cannot possibly be labelled as two seperate traditions?  Attack one and you attack the other.

I don't think he's calling marriage a silly tradition, rather the thought, passed down to generations that marriage is only allowed to certain people in certain reasons. That anything else is blasphemy and can't be changed nor accepted. -_-'