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Words Of Wisdom on 22 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:

This is a little off topic. That is why I hate vets. My old dog was very ill when he was young, but instead of the vet giving us Cure A (Can't remember the names), which was cheap and worked well. Instead he gave us Cure B, which was expensive and inneffective. My dog nearly died due to this and we lost a crap load of money.

It wasn't until we decided to take him to a skin specialist that told us that Cure A costs 50 quid and need to be done once or twice. He told us all vets know about it and some give Cure B because they earn more money off it, even though it has a high fatality rate.

Needless to say we promptly left the original vets.

Wow.  In the US those would be prime conditions for a malpractice or professional negligence lawsuit.

 



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Kasz216 on 22 April 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:
highwaystar101 said:

This is a little off topic. That is why I hate vets. My old dog was very ill when he was young, but instead of the vet giving us Cure A (Can't remember the names), which was cheap and worked well. Instead he gave us Cure B, which was expensive and inneffective. My dog nearly died due to this and we lost a crap load of money.

It wasn't until we decided to take him to a skin specialist that told us that Cure A costs 50 quid and need to be done once or twice. He told us all vets know about it and some give Cure B because they earn more money off it, even though it has a high fatality rate.

Needless to say we promptly left the original vets.

Wow.  In the US those would be prime conditions for a malpractice or professional negligence lawsuit.

 

I'll say.  That vet would be taken to the cleaner.  You have to provide all viable options to your patients.

 



SamuelRSmith on 22 April 2009

Ah, Kasz, you've actually made me realise something there. I knew all about purchasing power, but I just completely forgot about it.

Anyways, next time I get some money in my account (I'm trying to find a part-time job, atm, for games), I'm going to make a donation to that Swindon thing.

Gah, the last time I had money, I gave 70% of it to Comic Relief.

I'm just too damned charitable for my own good.



Kasz216 on 22 April 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Ah, Kasz, you've actually made me realise something there. I knew all about purchasing power, but I just completely forgot about it.

Anyways, next time I get some money in my account (I'm trying to find a part-time job, atm, for games), I'm going to make a donation to that Swindon thing.

Gah, the last time I had money, I gave 70% of it to Comic Relief.

I'm just too damned charitable for my own good.

Yeah, food banks are really amazing things.  They've got one at the school I work.  (We deal in a lot of lower income college students who are here on government grants.)

If it's anything like US money is the way to go.  US companies give foodbanks HUGE discounts.



I_Heart_Nintendo on 22 April 2009

Americans should stop worrying. If Obama declared that you now had a complete universal healthcare system, and they worked their budget around skimming some money from your ludicrous miliatary spending, all that would change is that you would get treated for free by doctors and hospitals. boo hoo?



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TheRealMafoo on 22 April 2009
vlad321 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
vlad321 said:

Mafoo I already made my case on why business and healthcare should stay completely separate and Viper1's counter's were definitely not adequate. For the record after that I just said that it shouldn't be non-profit organizations but government hiring researchers.

Basically business and health care should never be taken together.

 

How many “non profit”, or “not for profit” companies have invented new drugs, or created new technologies to advance healthcare?

How many prescriptions at Wal-Mart that can be filled for 4 dollars wouldn’t even exist if it wasn’t for business in healthcare?

The answer is all of them.

 

How much stuff came out of NASA and the space program? Isn't NASA government funded?

 

in the 1960's, NASA and all it's contracts employed 400,000 people. Do you think in todays world, we could afford to do that, just to research new technologies?



HappySqurriel on 22 April 2009
I_Heart_Nintendo said:
Americans should stop worrying. If Obama declared that you now had a complete universal healthcare system, and they worked their budget around skimming some money from your ludicrous miliatary spending, all that would change is that you would get treated for free by doctors and hospitals. boo hoo?

 

I've got some bad news for you:

 


The US government is already on the verge of spending more money on medicare than on national defence, and in order to cover all medical expenses in the United States the spending on medical care would soon reach 3 times the current defence budget (in particular with the impending geriatric care explosion from the baby-boomers).



TheRealMafoo on 22 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
vlad321 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
vlad321 said:

Mafoo I already made my case on why business and healthcare should stay completely separate and Viper1's counter's were definitely not adequate. For the record after that I just said that it shouldn't be non-profit organizations but government hiring researchers.

Basically business and health care should never be taken together.

 

How many “non profit”, or “not for profit” companies have invented new drugs, or created new technologies to advance healthcare?

How many prescriptions at Wal-Mart that can be filled for 4 dollars wouldn’t even exist if it wasn’t for business in healthcare?

The answer is all of them.

 

How much stuff came out of NASA and the space program? Isn't NASA government funded?

 

in the 1960's, NASA and all it's contracts employed 400,000 people. Do you think in todays world, we could afford to do that, just to research new technologies?

 

And by the way. NASA didn't come up with anything, businesses contracted by NASA did. Companies that bid on contracts, who hired the best people to win the contracts, so they could make a profit. You claim business and healthcare have no place together. If you had removed capitalism from NASA, we never would have made it to the moon.



I_Heart_Nintendo on 22 April 2009

oh welll, your screwed then :)



Kasz216 on 22 April 2009

Well that's scary. The US Government spends over $2,000 per capita on healthcare....

and we don't even cover most people.

 

There is no way we could get universal healthcare for what smaller countries like the UK does.