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Note: I'm am discussing the war for SECOND place. We all know the Wii will take first easily, so I decided to focus on the battle between the HD consoles only.

 

When the original PlayStation launched in 1994, many had doubts as to the viability of the platform. Sony was a newcomer to the world of video games, and gamers and analysts alike had reservations about trusting an unproven console manufacturer, thanks to the likes of the 3DO, TurboGrafx-16, and other unsuccessful forays into the gaming realm. Many were keen to wait for the upcoming Sega Saturn, or the Nintendo 64, rather than make the jump into the world of Sony. The fact that the Nintendo 64 was set to release at $199 USD (compared to $299 for the PlayStation) and the fact that the SNES was so successful were other factors that turned people off to Sony's new console.

However, shortly after the console launched (Dec. '94 in Japan, Sept. '95 in NA and PAL), it began to take off. It seemed as if the initial stigmas against the console had completely vanished, and the PlayStation went on to completely dominate the fifth generation of gaming. How did this happen? What was the key factor that led to the dominance of the PlayStation, despite the cheaper Nintendo 64?

Games.

The PlayStation enjoyed a plethora of games from every genre. Games like Twisted Metal, Gran Turismo, and Warhawk, memorable characters like Solid Snake, Cloud Strife, and Sir Daniel Fortesque. Sure, Nintendo had Mario, Link, and Fox McCloud, three eternally beloved characters in gaming history, but they weren't enough. Even though some of Sony's bigger games were ported to the N64, like Resident Evil and Tony Hawk, it still wasn't enough to help. Nintendo was forced to take a distant second place that generation, despite it's cheaper price point and brand recognition.

This generation, it seems to be the same thing all over again. Instead of PlayStation vs. Nintendo 64, it's PlayStation 3 vs. Xbox 360. Instead of $300 vs. $200, it's $500 vs. $350. Big name titles are going multiplatform, like Devil May Cry and Virtua Fighter. Ultimately, it will be the games that yet again decide which of these two rivals will emerge victorious. (Of course, there are two differences between this generation and two generations ago: 1. MS managed to get their console out first, a whole year at that, giving Sony a very bloody nose, and 2. This time it's Sony with the great brand recognition, coming off of two of the most successful consoles in video game history. These two basically cancel each other out (a positive for one, a positive for the other), in my opinion, so we'll ignore them for the sake of this discussion. Hell, I'll even leave out the Red Ring of Death just to play nice. :P )

Once again, it seems as if Sony is going to best it's competition in the most important area: games. After all, that's what a game console is for, right? Sure, these first 10 months have been somewhat meager as far as content goes for the PS3, but the constant delays have led to a nice end of '07 lineup and a jam-packed '08. This year the ps3 gets quite a few games, like Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (from Naughty Dog of Crash Bandicoot and Jak & Daxter fame), Haze (from Free Radical of Timesplitters fame), the next Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk (truly great MP game, I'm loving it more than BF2), Folklore, and many other exclusives and multiplats that don't need to be listed. Of course, the 360 still has a great '07 lineup, roughly equal to the ps3's, if you ignore Halo 3. However, including Halo 3, the 360's lineup blows everything out of the water!

The problem is, after Halo 3, what big name exclusive games does the 360 have? Sure, it has promising titles like Lost Odyssey set for '08, and a few cool pc/360 games like Alan Wake, but the only really BIG title coming next year is Ninja Gaiden 2.

So far, MS has announced barely any titles for '08, which leads me to believe that they just aren't there. After nothing new was unveiled at e3, Xbox fans said "MS was focusing on '07, they'll show the '08 stuff at X07." But then X07 was canceled. After that all I heard was "Wait for TGS!" At TGS all we got was NG2, which 90% of hardcore gamers already knew about. So when will these games be unveiled? When will MS show this mythical '08 lineup that will dominate the competition? MS has already announced that they will not be attending the E for All Expo, so we know we won't get any new information there.

If there are games set for '08, they'd be well under development by now, and would've been shown by now. TGS was the last stand. For comparison, Sony recently unveiled a new game called Infamous, back at e3. It's being developed by Sucker Punch, the guys behind Sly Cooper, but I have a hard time believing that it will actually make the '08 window. After all, it was JUST revealed, and we know hardly anything about it. Similarly, I believe any new 360 games shown before the end of the year will have a hard time actually making it out in '08, unless they are WELL into development.

In contrast with Microsoft, Sony has a stellar '08 lineup, and even more games set for '09 and beyond. Many of the games set for '08 are franchises with well-established fanbases. They traditionally sell many millions with each iteration in the series, and could be classified as "system sellers," much like Halo 2. FFXIII, GT5, MGS4, and Tekken 6 usually sell at least 4 mil. each. Actually, not one of the first four Gran Turismos has sold below 8 mil., compared to Halo 2, which barely sold 8 mil.

These four games alone make for one hell of a lineup for a single console (popularity/sales-wise). But of course, there are many other games coming next year as well. Killzone 2, Socom 5, FFVXIII, along with other new IPs like White Knight Story are in the works, along with new titles that Sony actually announced THIS YEAR, unlike Microsoft. This year alone, Sony has unveiled LittleBigPlanet (which could turn out to be a massive system seller), Infamous, and others, all set for '08. Sony still has four new games that they plan to announce at TGS, one of which is rumored to be the next Team Ico game (or games?), also set to release in '08. I'd assume Insomniac's next title will be out next year as well (Resistance 2?).

In addition to all of these are many multiplats like DMC4, making for one massive lineup next year.

Of course, there's a great '09 lineup to anticipate as well. There's God of War 3, Star Ocean 4, the next Naughty Dog game (hopefully the long rumored Jak & Daxter: The lost Frontier), and the next games from Insomniac, Ninja Theory, etc. And then there's the long rumored Final Fantasy VII remake as well.

So far, the three major titles i'm seeing for the 360 are Ninja Gaiden 2 for '08, Gears of War 2 for '09, and Banjo Three-ie somewhere in between. That's not very much. Maybe Shenmue 3 will surface at the Sega booth next week? Even NG, as good as the series is, doesn't sell very well, as it is often decried as being too hard for the casual gamer, so I can't see it doing much more for sales than NGS did for the ps3.

In conclusion, the 360 needs to maintain an excellent lineup of games to continue beating the ps3. However, looking at Sony's '08 lineup, there's no way in hell that could happen. From '08 on, when the games start hitting and the PS3's price drops to $399 USD or lower, I predict that the ps3 will begin outselling the 360 substantially across the globe (though not so much in the US).



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Note, I'm not saying that the 360's lineup next year is bad by any means. The sheer number of multiplats ensures that it will be pretty darn good. I'm just saying that the ps3's is substantially better.

And please don't respond unless you have read the entire OP. :|



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Kratos said:
Daniel Fortesque FTW!
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Nice avatar. Hopefully they'll make a MediEvil III. :D



I own a PS3, not a 360, and I don't agree with your post.

I read the post and it appears more wishful thinking from a PS3 owner than any absolutes.
Not that all your noted PS3 pluses aren't true, but I am questioning your interpretation.

2nd-3rd are still up in the air yet... at best.



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montrealsoon said:
I own a PS3, not a 360, and I don't agree with your post.

I read the post and it appears more wishful thinking from a PS3 owner than any absolutes.
Not that all your noted PS3 pluses aren't true, but I am questioning your interpretation.

2nd-3rd are still up in the air yet... at best.

This is entirely open to debate. My line of thinking is that games = sales, and that the ps3 has (well, will have) a larger selection of games, many of them being traditionally more popular games, than the 360.

If that is wishful thinking, please tell me how?



You're making a lot of assumptions about games. Sure, the Playstation and Playstation 2 have had some of the most diverse exclusives ever, but this may all change with the PS3. Companies like Konami and Square-Enix have stated that if sales of the PS3 aren't good enough, they may go multiplatform. The PS3 has a bad reputation in Japan, in particular.

Right now, the 360 is winning the games game. There is no way to dispute this. And for the next year or so, they will continue to do so. As long as the software is in Microsoft's court, by your reasoning, sales will be also. And because sales are so bad for the PS3, software development for exclusives will be slower.

Personally, I think the PS3 will probably surpass the 360 at some point due to the global popularity of the Playstation brand. But I may be vastly overestimating its popularity in Japan.  This is mostly due to personal biases -- I just think Sony is better at executing in the game market than Microsoft is.



As much as I'm interested in a 14 paragraph post.....no thanks.



 

 

I read your entire post, like you requested at the end of your post. I don't belive N64/PSX is comparable to this gen with xbox 360 vs. Sony
(btw, PSX didn't "completely dominate" a much better description would be "PSX won handily")

PSX came before the N64. N64 was the one hyped. N64 is the one that messed up, then later got really good first party and rare games, yet didn't win.

Xbox 360 came before PS3. PS3 was the one hyped. Both Xbox 360 and PS3 messed up, but PS3 more so imo. Both are moving to fix thier mistake (N64 did not, they stuck with carts)
I don't think we can predict the future. The end of this gen is still very far away. My guess though is the PS3 and Xbox 360 will be very close, either 5m away either way for either console, or perhaps virtually tied. I don't believe either will sell for than 50m.



I completely disagree..360 has the best lineup now and for the future. Each heavily hyped PS3 game seems to succumb to poor reviews. Lair, HS, does anyone doubt games like uncharted will suffer the same fate? Those games are ~8 material at best imo.

Already the 08 360 lineup is looking strong. NG2, Gears 2, Halo Wars, Alan Wake, Banjoe 3, Marvel MMO, Fable 2, etc etc etc.

Plus not even to mention Blue Dragon (just released) Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery. Those are four jrpg's while PS3 has zero. Of course this is not even to mention the tons of 3rd party mult-platform games.

Stuff like GT5 is nice but it's not system seller anymore, it's just, a 360 owner will just buy Project Gotham instead. Meanwhile, Sony has no title as monstrous as Halo 3. Just look at the fact MS can have a $130 legendary edition of Halo 3. Sony has no title, not GT not anything, that has that much rabid popularity to get away with a $130 edition, and have hundreds of thousands of it sell.

360 just has an awesome depth of games..both in 2007 and 2008.