did these two guys set a record? good for them. 
but that sounds like a horrible thing to have done to you. maybe this will stop people from doing stuff to the us
highwaystar101 said:
A. It's only like 1% of islamic people that terrorise people. B. If you want to punish someone for torturing and killing people, don't punish them by torturing them and simulating death. It's hypocritical, use another method that shows you can take the high road. |
A. Flogging is allowed in much more then 1% of the Islamic world. Compare waterboarding to flogging.
B. Waterboarding is not a punishment. It is an interogation technique. An effective one that can save lives.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
| Tyrannical said: A. Flogging is allowed in much more then 1% of the Islamic world. Compare waterboarding to flogging. B. Waterboarding is not a punishment. It is an interogation technique. An effective one that can save lives. |
I'm sorry Tyranical, but are you really saying that waterboarding is not a form torture??? I mean come on, you can't call it interogation. There are dozens of ways to interogate someone without resorting to sick and cruel methods. I'm sorry but it is torture and nothing else.
I know the people in Guantanamo bay are evil people, but being evil back brings you down to their level.
Look just watch the video and tell me if this person isn't being tortured and that the guy at the end is wrong.
highwaystar101 said:
I'm sorry Tyranical, but are you really saying that waterboarding is not a form torture??? I mean come on, you can't call it interogation. There are dozens of ways to interogate someone without resorting to sick and cruel methods. I'm sorry but it is torture and nothing else. I know the people in Guantanamo bay are evil people, but being evil back brings you down to their level. Look just watch the video and tell me if this person isn't being tortured and that the guy at the end is wrong.
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It's a very humane method used to extract information without causing undue pain or any form or permanent injury. It's merely "unpleasant".
Compared to the punishments commonly legal in Islamic countries, the US must look like a Saint in comparison. Infact not only did the prisoner have BOTH hands and feet, he also appears to have all 10 fingers and toes. I see no electrical cables hooked up to his testicles, nor is he beaten bloody. I see no executoiner readying a sword to cut off his head, nor a torturer wiedling a whip, not an angry crowd of 9/11 victim survivors hurling stones at him.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
Apparently Tyrannical thinks that as long as we meet the standards set for in the Islamic world, that we have obeyed the Constitution. I don't remember the Founding Fathers ever talking about that.
You want to prosecute someone for breaking the law, you have to follow the law too. You want to interrogate someone, you have to follow the law too.
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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
It's a very humane method used to extract information without causing undue(implies guilt without proof, but who needs proof anymore) pain or any form or permanent injury (yeah its not like simulating death by drowing isn’t going to mess you up for life, I know I do it all the time). It's merely "unpleasant" (yeah usually torture is).
Compared to the punishments commonly legal in Islamic countries, the US must look like a Saint in comparison (yeah except for that whole we invade other countries for doing things like this but are not above doing it ourselves). Infact not only did the prisoner have BOTH hands and feet, he also appears to have all 10 fingers and toes (ohh yeha he does, unlike thousand of Native Americans we mutilated and killed over land that we invaded, but we wont go there). I see no electrical cables hooked up to his testicles, nor is he beaten bloody. I see no executoiner readying a sword to cut off his head, nor a torturer wiedling a whip (he is off camera, not sure if you know this but it has also come to light that they were beaten and smacked), not an angry crowd of 9/11 victim survivors hurling stones at him.
(And lets not even get me stared on the Salem witch trials, the lynching that happened during the racial years, the Japanese camps during the wars….the list goes on, but you keep thinking your better then the rest of the world b/c you have a get out of jail free social security card…)
| akuma587 said: Hope they brought a snorkel.
The controversial technique that simulates drowning -- and which President Obama calls torture -- was used at least 83 times in August 2002 on suspected al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah, according to the memo. It paints a different picture from the one described by former CIA officer John Kiriakou. In a December 2007 interview with CNN, Kiriakou said Zubaydah had been waterboarded for "about 30 seconds, 35 seconds" and agreed to cooperate with interrogators the following day. |
Maybe Kiriakou was telling the truth and Zubaydah was waterboarded for only a total of 35 seconds which would mean each waterboarding lasted on average 0,42 seconds. No wonder it didn't work.
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Tyrannical said:
It's a very humane method used to extract information without causing undue pain or any form or permanent injury. It's merely "unpleasant". Compared to the punishments commonly legal in Islamic countries, the US must look like a Saint in comparison. Infact not only did the prisoner have BOTH hands and feet, he also appears to have all 10 fingers and toes. I see no electrical cables hooked up to his testicles, nor is he beaten bloody. I see no executoiner readying a sword to cut off his head, nor a torturer wiedling a whip, not an angry crowd of 9/11 victim survivors hurling stones at him. |
No undue pain or permanent injury? It can cause permanent brain damage by stopping the flow of oxygen to the brain. It can also cause them to break their own limbs struggling for their life against the restraints. It can also actually kill them. That's just the science of how your brain works when it doesn't get oxygen.
Get your facts out of here Rubang!
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
It's common knowledge that sniffing glue causes permanent brain damage by cutting the flow of oxygen to the brain. I would assume that waterboarding is worse for the brain than sniffing glue, since dumb kids aren't doing it for fun.
If it's so harmless, why doesn't somebody try to get high off of waterboarding themselves? Maybe they could post it on YouTube, and Tweet it to everybody, and get like a billion hits on their blog? That would be all over the news and really hilarious. Then they could make some mash-ups with it, and maybe have a YouTube remix challenge.
Now I want to watch the South Park where they sniff cat piss and hallucinate all that Major Boobage awesomeness.
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