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akuma587 said:
Obama is taking the right approach. This information should be available to the public just so we know what went on, but the political and social implications of going after this people is too much of a hot potato to deal with. Could turn into a Neo-McCarthyian witch hunt.

I don't really agree.  I mean... There is Bush... and then Cheney... and then that's about it.  Maybe the head of the CIA... that's about it.

Then again I suppose Bush is popular in some places.  Prosecuting him would hurt relations with Africa, Kosovo, Israel and China.

Did you know Bush is in China right now?  Chinese economic summit.  They invited Bush...



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Its just too much political baggage to take on. Obama would be just asking to kill his approval rating when he promised to move beyond petty politics.

And it could bitterly divide the country for years to come. I just don't think it is the right thing to do and in the best interests of the country (or Obama for that matter).



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
Its just too much political baggage to take on. Obama would be just asking to kill his approval rating when he promised to move beyond petty politics.

And it could bitterly divide the country for years to come. I just don't think it is the right thing to do and in the best interests of the country (or Obama for that matter).

I guess.  I'm really more of a "What's best for the world" type guy.  So sometimes it bothers me when even politcal enemies cover each others asses.

Makes me think we should reimpose "exile" or something for high up leaders that are too jail.

 



Some of the ex-CIA people and old Bush employees are freaking out that some of this stuff was released, saying that the government has a right to cover it up and that Obama has endangered us by revealing it.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

The world is reactionary. Their mistake for advocating these methods and not seeing that if the political winds of the country changed they'd probably get into trouble. Some people are shortsighted and people that are shortsighted deserve a spank.



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So if waterboarding works so well, why do they have to do it 183 times in a row?

Was it that 183rd time when he finally gave up some juicy fake confession to save his own ass?



Yeah...I mean what were they thinking. "Fuck, the 182nd time didn't work. 183rd time is the charm!"

It would be nice if they told us whether or not it yielded any kind of reliable information. You figure he would be pretty used to waterboarding by 183 times though. Maybe he was just getting bored with it and told them something.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

We should have used a more acceptable, Islamic approved interrogation technique. I wonder what those could have been?



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

I love how people will try and defend this, Americans are so ready to jump up on the high horse to the world public and blast countries for doing acts like this, then behind closed doors we reveal our true face…..

We Americans in general are pathetic and really deserve the grief we bring upon ourselves sometimes…



 

Tyrannical said:
We should have used a more acceptable, Islamic approved interrogation technique. I wonder what those could have been?

 

A. It's only like 1% of islamic people that terrorise people.

B. If you want to punish someone for torturing and killing people, don't punish them by torturing them and simulating death. It's hypocritical, use another method that shows you can take the high road.