Ok just added a bunch of replies to catch up...I'm done for now!
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| To Each Man, Responsibility |
Wow, where has this thread gone???? from tea parties to racism.
| akuma587 said: Well...you kind of have to account for the fact that blacks were systematically discouraged from learning for centuries and were usually killed if they could read. And they were also bred like cattle for physical traits rather than mental traits for the same amount of time. So if you don't take that into account, yes, it does just involve economic status and family status. |
Wow, that's a horrible, horrible racist things to say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Snyder (aka Jimmy the Greek)
On January 16, 1988, he was fired by the CBS network (where he was a contributor to the NFL Today program since 1976) after commenting to WRC-TV reporter Ed Hotaling in a Washington, D.C. restaurant that African Americans were naturally superior athletes at least in part because they had been bred to produce stronger offspring during slavery:
| “ | The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid. |
After Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder spoke his views on pro sports and race before a Washington, D.C. TV camera last January, Dave Anderson of The New York Times called Snyder "crude" and "dumb." Carl T. Rowan, writing in The Washington Post, compared him to Goebbels. A cartoon in The Boston Globe showed a hooded Klansman consoling Snyder with the words, "I certainly didn't find you offensive."
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
| akuma587 said: Kasz is right, it is about wealth:
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Chris rock also believes Men and Women are different.
But yeah. The statistcs show... it's all wealth. If wealth was proportionate so would everything else.
Race is statistically insignificant. Real racism is pretty much 90% isolated among people with no power to act out on it.
Affirmitive Action is something that tries to fix a symptom without worrying about the cause.
There are of course other issues... but nearly all perceived "racism" problems can be pointed to "wealth" problems. The amount that can't... just not being statistically relevent.
| halogamer1989 said: Payback's a bitch isn't it Dems? This is not a GOP thing as there was liber, Dems, white, black, Asian, hispanic, young and old there. Get off that MSNBC and Commi News Network high horse and ask people what is really going on and how they feel. Or are you too elite to do so? |
The hilarious thing is that you support this. Considering the tea parties were started up again by the 9/11 truthers and the Ron Paul movement several years ago, before faux news and the republicans tried to jump on the band wagon.
" Rebellion Against Tyrants Is Obedience To God"
| Kasz216 said: Also... i find it amusing how you say... "The statistics don't lie." You can run from the debate all you want. But the trtuth is. The problem largely concerning black people now is a wealth issue. Unlike... women.
This racial wealth gap accounts for many of the racial differences in socioeconomic achievement that have persisted in the post-civil rights era. When we compare black and white families who have the same income and net worth, we find that African-American kids are more likely to graduate from high school than whites and are just as likely to complete college. And when we compare individuals who grew up in families with the same economic resources--income and wealth--we find that the wage gap between blacks and whites disappears and that African-Americans are just as likely as Anglos to be working full time. But among the poor, a lack of assets makes blacks more likely to rely on welfare. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010326/conley Stacey Jones, an African-American woman with a graduate degree and a solidly middle-class job, describes a common bind for minority parents: "I am, in effect, priced out of homebuying in good school districts," she says. "This, in turn, makes it difficult for me to pay more for housing, since I am spending a good deal of my income on education for my children." For much of the growing black middle class, a lack of assets means living from paycheck to paycheck, being trapped in a job or a neighborhood that is less beneficial in the long run, or not being able to send one's kids to top colleges. Income provides for day-to-day, week-to-week expenses; wealth is the stuff that upward mobility is made of. Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved under unequal conditions (such as differential access to wealth). Indeed, whether the parents enjoy the American dream of the house, the car and the 401k is one of the best predictors of whether a child will have a chance to achieve the same.
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I grew up without any of those things and also kicked out of the house at 18 because my mom believed in setting out on ons own.
I currently go to school at Northeastern and have a ~3.5 GPA and a steady job and a condo apt with a pool. Any black person should be able to do what I did.
However, I went to public school for one year, before I paid (myself) to go to private high school.
In that year, every white teacher told me that I didn't need to take the tests because they knew I knew the work, even if I didn't. I got all A's in every single class, and an A- in a class that I slept in.
The black kid next to me who did homework for other classes got a B.
Sure this is just anecdotal evidence, but you have to at least understand my perspective where I've gotten so much shit easy compared to the black kid sitting next to me.
I'm contacting my psych prof to get links of studies showing that racism still exists since you all seem to believe that it doesn't.
@kasz
Those methods you described for compensating transitional wealth would backfire so much with resentment. wow.
Suppose (for a moment) that you took the average middle class person from the suburbs, eliminated their wealth, and put them into a position where they had to work for a dramatically lower wage ... How many years do you think it would take for the average individual in this position to return to a middle-class lifestyle?
The unfortunate thing that a lot of people don't realize is that socio-economic status has far more to do with a person's values and beliefs that are built from a very early age than with a person's physical wealth. This is why people with certain backgrounds can go from being penny-less refugees that don't speak the language to being university educated upper middle-class within one generation, and other people with different backgrounds have difficulty making progress regardless of how much time passes.
The problem with Afirmative Action and other programs designed to eliminate inequity based on ethnic backgrounds is that it tries to elevate the status of a particular group without changing the values or beliefs that are really what is holding that group back. If you take a person who has a poor understanding of money and double their income then they (often) waste their money and don't build any real wealth, they can't educate their children on how money really works, and the benefit provided is temporary (at best). As an example of this, all you have to do is look at the number of famous entertainers who come from (very) poor backgrounds, and examine how many of these people retained their wealth for their entire life and their children were able to maintain the lifestyle their parents provided for them ...
If you notice I tried to be very careful and not associate any problems or strenghts with any particular ethnic group because there are people from all ethnic backgrounds that have beliefs that make them successful and beliefs that hold them back ... For example, everyone is aware of "White Trash" who fall into the same financial and personal traps that hold back a lot of people with a similar socio-economic standing.
Kasz216 said:
Chris rock also believes Men and Women are different. But yeah. The statistcs show... it's all wealth. If wealth was proportionate so would everything else. Race is statistically insignificant. Real racism is pretty much 90% isolated among people with no power to act out on it. Affirmitive Action is something that tries to fix a symptom without worrying about the cause. There are of course other issues... but nearly all perceived "racism" problems can be pointed to "wealth" problems. The amount that can't... just not being statistically relevent. |
Last time I checked men and women are different. Different set of genitals, different hormones, different biochemistries, different metabolisms, there minds are slightly better at certain different things, they tend to react to situations differently, and males tend to be more aggressive.
Being different doesn't mean they are inferior or should be treate differently. But they aren't "the same."
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
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