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Viper1 on 19 April 2009

Akuma, I already told why we're seeing much more organized protests than ever before. Because the ability to organize them is much easier than ever before. Not a tough concept to grasp.

There were several different Tea Parties. Their agendas differed depending one which one you attended. Most were anti-spending, many were anti-Stimulus and bail outs while others were anti-income tax. All of them touched on each to some degree but some were more focused on one of those specific agendas.

So to say the people couldn't agree on why they were protesting is to admit you have no idea what the Tea Parties were to begin with.

Denouncing the spending, the stimulus, the Income Tax, Obama fiscal policy, Bush fiscal policy and to show support for HR 1207 was the purpose of these Tea Parties. If a few racists joined in just to slam Obama well that sucks but don't knock the whole group for the actions of the few jumping on our bandwagon. It's rather ridiculous to group us in with them based on their attendance alone.



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theprof00 on 19 April 2009

BTW sqrl,
I think you would be interested in the result of implicit attitude tests.

meta-studies of hundreds of different studies like these show that a very large amount of the population in USA have at least some unconscious racist bias against black people.

I'll look for the actual statistics... but these tests along with others are the whole basis of Equal Oportunity Employment and Affirmative Action.



akuma587 on 19 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

You also make the assumption that spending more on a war is always an effective way to win that war.  That may be true in some cases, but we put a lot of money and manpower into wars like Vietnam and Iraq and have only gotten back questionable results in return.  Sometimes spending money on a war just means you spent a lot of money and didn't get shit in return.

 

How do you think the Iraq and Vietnam wars would of went without spending a lot of money on them?  The same or worse?

Also, the Iraq war went awesome.  It was the gameplan for the reconstruction of Iraq that was screwed up.  They never came up with a gameplan for what to do after they won the war.

As for Vietnam... Vietnam actually went well consdering we were fighting both Vietnam and China... and also keeping military actions to a low enough level as to not ignite a nuclear war.  You can't really win "Limited wars".  Not against China anyway.

Kudos for actually bringing up something democrats have done wrong for once though.

 

Oh yeah, LBJ totally botched it by getting involved in Vietnam.  There were some merits to containment as a foreign policy, but on the whole it was pretty much a complete failure, especially containment through the use of military force.

I'm not trying saying that we would have been better off if we would have spent less money in Vietnam, I am trying to say that we would have been better off if we hadn't spent any money there in the first place.  I feel the same way about Iraq.

You could argue that the Soviet Union would have collapsed under its own weight even if Reagan hadn't spent that extra money.  They had systematic problems throughout their entire country even before we started having a pissing contest with them in the 80's.  The vibrancy of our economy and the severe problems with their economy were just as much a factor or more in our "victory" over the Soviet Union.

In a lot of circumstances, economic warfare is more effective than actual warfare.  Plus its typically cheaper and you don't get your hands dirty.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 19 April 2009
Viper1 said:
Akuma, I already told why we're seeing much more organized protests than ever before. Because the ability to organize them is much easier than ever before. Not a tough concept to grasp.

There were several different Tea Parties. Their agendas differed depending one which one you attended. Most were anti-spending, many were anti-Stimulus and bail outs while others were anti-income tax. All of them touched on each to some degree but some were more focused on one of those specific agendas.

So to say the people couldn't agree on why they were protesting is to admit you have no idea what the Tea Parties were to begin with.

Denouncing the spending, the stimulus, the Income Tax, Obama fiscal policy, Bush fiscal policy and to show support for HR 1207 was the purpose of these Tea Parties. If a few racists joined in just to slam Obama well that sucks but don't knock the whole group for the actions of the few jumping on our bandwagon. It's rather ridiculous to group us in with them based on their attendance alone.

I'm not claiming they were based around racism at all (well, maybe slightly, but nothing significant).  I just posted that video.  Just because I post something doesn't mean I endorse everything it says.

If you honestly think there weren't people behind the scenes coordinating this who have a vested interest in making Obama look bad, you are fooling yourself.  Obama knows the genius of this.  Why do you think he used electronic media so much in the 2008 election?  What he did was really no different, although I would say it wasn't quite as much of a joke as some of these protests.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

theprof00 on 19 April 2009

kasz, all the banks are connected, they all buy and sell from each other and they are so tied up together it's ridiculous. This is the same for many of those big companies. If a few big ones fail, it could be the end.
The best thing to do is keep them afloat while you impose laws to untangle the strings.

I don't know enough about the situation you are talking about to comment on it, and I'm not really sure I understand what the sentence itself means tbh.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 19 April 2009

Wackos show up at all protests. I went to the protests outside the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles in 2000, and there were people telling us "all Demoncrats will burn in hell," people telling women they should shut up and go home and read the Bible and clean for their men, people with signs that said "You are not your fucking khakis" and even people protesting breastfeeding, claiming that breastfed children are more likely to look up internet porn.

Then the cops tear gassed all of us and shot rubber bullets at everybody and shot a homeless guy in the neck with one of them.


I support all protests, even the dumb ones, and I support telling them they're dumb. My only problem with THIS protest is that Fox endorsed it, put their name all over it, and hosted it, and then pretended it was happening on its own and they were just reporting on it as it happened.

What the hell does the Boston Tea Party have to do with the Alamo again?



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theprof00 on 19 April 2009

@Rubang
alamo is the only place it really makes sense.

Btw rubang have you seen the new gathering storm advert?



Viper1 on 19 April 2009
theprof00 said:
BTW sqrl,
I think you would be interested in the result of implicit attitude tests.

meta-studies of hundreds of different studies like these show that a very large amount of the population in USA have at least some unconscious racist bias against black people.

I'll look for the actual statistics... but these tests along with others are the whole basis of Equal Oportunity Employment and Affirmative Action.

Affirmative Action is not about equality, it's about providing an unfair advantage to a specific population group.    It perpetuates that unconcious racist bias that you even pointed out.

The more we treat a specific group as "special" the longer it will take for racism to dissipate.



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akuma587 on 19 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:


I support all protests, even the dumb ones, and I support telling them they're dumb. My only problem with THIS protest is that Fox endorsed it, put their name all over it, and hosted it, and then pretended it was happening on its own and they were just reporting on it as it happened.

This is mainly how I feel.  Plus I question the motivations behind the people who organized the protests and many of the people who were at the protests.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

The Ghost of RubangB on 19 April 2009
theprof00 said:
@Rubang
alamo is the only place it really makes sense.

Btw rubang have you seen the new gathering storm advert?

Is there more than one?  I've seen one, and then Colbert's brilliant version.  "Did you know that if gay marriage is legalized in all 50 states, straight marriage becomes illegal?"



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