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tombi123 said:
Kasz216 said:
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Thatmax said:
This video is a huge thing here in the UK at the moment. It shows a newspaper seller just walking home through the riots before he is wacked in the back of the knees with a baton and then pushed to the floor by the police. The man suffered a fatal heart attack just minutes later.

It may not have been an incredibly aggressive act but any violent overreactions by the police on protestors will anger the crowd meaning that the police have to be even tougher to keep them under control, but this will just increase tension thus a potential riot.

Bloody Sunday comes to mind.

Really? I mean looking at him he's clearly not just walking home and trying to get in the polices way. Look at the video again. He swerves left and right to get in the polices way. It would of been an easy thing to stand to the side for a couple seconds when he was told to move so the bomb dogs could go by and search for bombs.

 

 

He wasn't part of the protest. He was just walking home from work. He wasn't being aggressive. He has every right to walk there.


Did you watch the video? I mean watch it again. Note how he makes a direct right angle turn for no reason other then to get in the cops way.

He's walking along straiht... then makes a sharp turn for little reason and the cop pushes him to try to get him out of the bomb squads way.

 

I have watched the video plenty of times and all I can see is Ian walking away from the police with his back to the police and his hands in his pockets. Posing no threat at all. Why are you justifying police voilence on an innocent person. The batton strike and push is almost certainly the cause of Ian's death. The policeman should be tried in court like any other citizen would be.

He's walking away very very slowly.... and he's moving in a way to slow down the police on purpose. Also all I saw was a push. Not a baton strike.

Stopping the police from removing bombs by impeding there travel i wouldn't call "doing nothing."

He distinctly cuts very closley infront of them soley for the purpose of slowing them down. It's like when your driving, and don't like the person behind you who is trying to pass, so you move with them blocking there way so they can't pass you.

Except instead of trying to get somewhere... the guy is looking for bombs.

 

You can clearly see a batton strike at 1:14 in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsWJ9j8LuHI

If those policemen are so busy looking for bombs, why the hell do they just stand still after pushing him out the way?

Also, I couldn't find footage of him making a direct right angle turn like you claimed he did.

Check the video in this very thread... the one in the OP.

He's walking straight down the road paralel... with the road.

Then when he's pushed he's walking away from the road.

1:47 in the clip you posted.



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Rath said:
I wonder why it seems that the people who are on the right of the political scale are the ones that favor police brutality?

In my opinion she wasn't physically hassling him, only verbally. Its not actually illegal to do that. Therefore what he did was assault.

Mind you I don't think its a systematic problem with the police force, just a few bad eggs with issues.

Actually, what she did was assault.
What the policeman did was battery.
The more you know.

Edit: Actually, atleast that's the law in my state.
Your country might have different definitions of assault.




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Verbal assault and physical assault are 2 different things



MrBubbles said:
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The Ghost of RubangB said:
I can't believe SciFiBoy can put up with the halogamer and Tyrannical combo for this long. Tyrannical has admitted he's a troll, and nobody really believes halogamer's even serious anymore, since half his posts involve recommending dropping nukes on civilians.

I never stated that you liar.  Consider yourself reported.

Aww crap sorry.  I must've mixed you up with MrBubbles.  Sorry about that.

ok then.... i get to report you as well.

Um, okay.  I can provide links to your posts that support nuking civilians, carpet bombing civilians, and claiming that Obama is the antichrist, if that will save me from your warning.  It'll only take a few minutes.  But if you feel offended by being quoted, I'll just be leaving this thread and staying out of your way in political threads from now on.  I'll call it a truce and ignore you from now on.  Have a nice day sir.

Same goes for you halogamer.  Good luck seceding from the union.



Jboy0990 said:

Verbal assault and physical assault are 2 different things

 

Assault and battery is the combination of two violent crimes: assault (the threat of violence) and battery (physical violence)



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Kasz216 said:
tombi123 said:
Kasz216 said:
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Did you watch the video? I mean watch it again. Note how he makes a direct right angle turn for no reason other then to get in the cops way.

He's walking along straiht... then makes a sharp turn for little reason and the cop pushes him to try to get him out of the bomb squads way.

 

I have watched the video plenty of times and all I can see is Ian walking away from the police with his back to the police and his hands in his pockets. Posing no threat at all. Why are you justifying police voilence on an innocent person. The batton strike and push is almost certainly the cause of Ian's death. The policeman should be tried in court like any other citizen would be.

He's walking away very very slowly.... and he's moving in a way to slow down the police on purpose. Also all I saw was a push. Not a baton strike.

Stopping the police from removing bombs by impeding there travel i wouldn't call "doing nothing."

He distinctly cuts very closley infront of them soley for the purpose of slowing them down. It's like when your driving, and don't like the person behind you who is trying to pass, so you move with them blocking there way so they can't pass you.

Except instead of trying to get somewhere... the guy is looking for bombs.

 

You can clearly see a batton strike at 1:14 in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsWJ9j8LuHI

If those policemen are so busy looking for bombs, why the hell do they just stand still after pushing him out the way?

Also, I couldn't find footage of him making a direct right angle turn like you claimed he did.

Check the video in this very thread... the one in the OP.

He's walking straight down the road paralel... with the road.

Then when he's pushed he's walking away from the road.

1:47 in the clip you posted.

 

I'm not convinced about that. Its not like it would be the first protest where the police have abused their powers this year.



Umm she cussed at him

To me thats not threatening

assault and battery is where you physically assault somone I've to jail for it buddy i think i know



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If a police officer or a professional like a doctor came to your face and started cussing at you over and over again, that would be considered assault.

Assault/Battery

Historically, laws treated the threat of physical injury as "assault", and the completed act of physical contact or offensive touching as "battery," but many states no longer differentiate between the two. (Your case probably)

Assault

An assault invoves:

1. An intentional, unlawful threat or "offer" to cause bodily injury to another by force;
2. Under circumstances which create in the other person a well-founded fear of imminent peril;
3. Where there exists the apparent present ability to carry out the act if not prevented.

Note that an assault can be completed even if there is no actual contact with the plaintiff, and even if the defendant had no actual ability to carry out the apparent threat. For example, a defendant who points a realistic toy gun at the plaintiff may be liable for assault, even though the defendant was fifty feet away from the plaintiff and had no actual ability to inflict harm from that distance.

Battery

A battery is the willful or intentional touching of a person against that person’s will by another person, or by an object or substance put in motion by that other person. Please note that an offensive touching can constitute a battery even if it does not cause injury, and could not reasonably be expected to cause injury. A defendant who emphatically pokes the plaintiff in the chest with his index finger to emphasize a point may be culpable for battery (although the damages award that results may well be nominal). A defendant who spits on a plaintiff, even though there is little chance that the spitting will cause any injury other than to the plaintiff's dignity, has committed a battery.




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iclim4 said:

If a police officer or a proffesional like a doctor came to your face and started cussing at you over and over again, that would be considered assault.

Assault/Battery

Historically, laws treated the threat of physical injury as "assault", and the completed act of physical contact or offensive touching as "battery," but many states no longer differentiate between the two. (Your case probably)

Assault

An assault invoves:

1. An intentional, unlawful threat or "offer" to cause bodily injury to another by force;
2. Under circumstances which create in the other person a well-founded fear of imminent peril;
3. Where there exists the apparent present ability to carry out the act if not prevented.

Note that an assault can be completed even if there is no actual contact with the plaintiff, and even if the defendant had no actual ability to carry out the apparent threat. For example, a defendant who points a realistic toy gun at the plaintiff may be liable for assault, even though the defendant was fifty feet away from the plaintiff and had no actual ability to inflict harm from that distance.

Battery

A battery is the willful or intentional touching of a person against that person’s will by another person, or by an object or substance put in motion by that other person. Please note that an offensive touching can constitute a battery even if it does not cause injury, and could not reasonably be expected to cause injury. A defendant who emphatically pokes the plaintiff in the chest with his index finger to emphasize a point may be culpable for battery (although the damages award that results may well be nominal). A defendant who spits on a plaintiff, even though there is little chance that the spitting will cause any injury other than to the plaintiff's dignity, has committed a battery.

 

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