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JRPG said:
WessleWoggle said:
JRPG said:
alekth said:
Hey, let's use supernatural things to explain what we don't know.

 

Its just an endless loop. You can't disprove God, and you can't prove him either. Its foolish to bicker over it

 

 Which one? You can disprove some really easily.

Technecally you can't.

 

Sure its funny to laugh at the Elephant guy or Xenu, but you still can't really disprove their existance. There is no set rules for gods, and thus so there is no way to determine if they are real.

Most people pick a religion and have faith that it is the true religion. There is no way to say their choice is incorrct just cause you disagee with it.

 

Well, if a christian claims god is infallible and the bible is the word of god, their god is disproven.

Bible is inaccurate = The abrahamic god's holy book is fallible = Disproven



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Existance of a supernatural creature or otherwise presence can be proven. It's another thing entirely in what extent it's presented and for how long it's considered supernatural.

What we have today as the laws of nature and what we have as technology wouldn't seem like anything natural to a man from some centuries ago. We can see nature in much more detail than before.
Plenty of holy texts have their god(s) interracting with humans, so either the texts are wrong and by that confirmed flawed, or an existing god can be seen, heard, observed, proven etc.



JRPG said:
alekth said:
 if god exists it shouldn't be impossible to prove it.

Using logic to try to prove that something supernatural exists or does not exist is illlogical.

Define the supernatural. It's a useless, irrelivant concept. Everything is natural. Even if there is 'magic' or 'ghosts' it's not supernatural, it has a source, a cause.

Also, logic is the only way things can be proven, your statement makes no sense.

 



alekth said:
Plenty of holy texts have their god(s) interracting with humans, so either the texts are wrong and by that confirmed flawed, or an existing god can be seen, heard, observed, proven etc.

Some claim all the various gods, some of which lied about being all powerful, got into a internal dispute about 10,000 years ago, and mankind has been on it's own since.

For all we know, all gods, or at least a portion of them, are real entities. Many native americans believed there were many gods.



WessleWoggle said:
JRPG said:
WessleWoggle said:
JRPG said:
alekth said:
Hey, let's use supernatural things to explain what we don't know.

 

Its just an endless loop. You can't disprove God, and you can't prove him either. Its foolish to bicker over it

 

 Which one? You can disprove some really easily.

Technecally you can't.

 

Sure its funny to laugh at the Elephant guy or Xenu, but you still can't really disprove their existance. There is no set rules for gods, and thus so there is no way to determine if they are real.

Most people pick a religion and have faith that it is the true religion. There is no way to say their choice is incorrct just cause you disagee with it.

 

Well, if a christian claims god is infallible and the bible is the word of god, their god is disproven.

Bible is inaccurate = The abrahamic god's holy book is fallible = Disproven

So what humans say dictates what God is?

What makes you think God is not perfect? Have you ever sat down for tea and quizzed him? The bible was witten by man about God. There may in fact be errors in it. Why do you think there are so many different holy texts in this world?

Just cause some humans say one thing does not mean its true or untrue about God. You say God does not exist, yet you have not given solid proof that he does not exist, and i can't give you solid proof that he does. Hence the endless loop i was refering to in an earlier post. People argue over the truth about God to justify their own beliefs.

 

This thread is a perfect example over how badly believers want to believe and how badly nonbeliever don't want them to believe.

 

 



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alekth said:
Existance of a supernatural creature or otherwise presence can be proven. It's another thing entirely in what extent it's presented and for how long it's considered supernatural.

What we have today as the laws of nature and what we have as technology wouldn't seem like anything natural to a man from some centuries ago. We can see nature in much more detail than before.
Plenty of holy texts have their god(s) interracting with humans, so either the texts are wrong and by that confirmed flawed, or an existing god can be seen, heard, observed, proven etc.

 

Well when you get your telescope that can see God let me know. I just wonder where you will start looking...



Prove to me anything* exists.
Actually, don't.  I've been arguing about that idea for 2 weeks with Final-Fan now :P



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appolose said:
Prove to me anything exists.
Actually, don't, I've been arguing about that idea for 2 weeks with Final-Fan now :P

 

Trying to prove wether God exists or not is like trying to prove to a blind person that colors exist.

If you can't see it you either have faith thats it exists or you refuse to belive it exists.



JRPG said:
WessleWoggle said:
JRPG said:
WessleWoggle said:
JRPG said:
alekth said:
Hey, let's use supernatural things to explain what we don't know.

 

Its just an endless loop. You can't disprove God, and you can't prove him either. Its foolish to bicker over it

 

 Which one? You can disprove some really easily.

Technecally you can't.

 

Sure its funny to laugh at the Elephant guy or Xenu, but you still can't really disprove their existance. There is no set rules for gods, and thus so there is no way to determine if they are real.

Most people pick a religion and have faith that it is the true religion. There is no way to say their choice is incorrct just cause you disagee with it.

 

Well, if a christian claims god is infallible and the bible is the word of god, their god is disproven.

Bible is inaccurate = The abrahamic god's holy book is fallible = Disproven

So what humans say dictates what God is?

What makes you think God is not perfect? Have you ever sat down for tea and quizzed him? The bible was witten by man about God. There may in fact be errors in it. Why do you think there are so many different holy texts in this world?

Just cause some humans say one thing does not mean its true or untrue about God. You say God does not exist, yet you have not given solid proof that he does not exist, and i can't give you solid proof that he does. Hence the endless loop i was refering to in an earlier post. People argue over the truth about God to justify their own beliefs.

 

This thread is a perfect example over how badly believers want to believe and how badly nonbeliever don't want them to believe.

 

 

What humans say don't dictate what god is, but for each individual human, their concept of god determines if their god could be disproven, that was my point.

I don't think our god is perfect, nothing is perfect, perfect is a concept that has no real meaning. I don't think the bible in infallible, but some christians do. Their god is easily disproven, as the bible is fallible.

I'm not arguing for either side by the way, I'm an agnostic. I'm arguing for your misrepresentation of logic, I don't care if god exists one way or another.

 

 



appolose said:

Prove to me anything* exists.
Actually, don't.  I've been arguing about that idea for 2 weeks with Final-Fan now :P

Lol. That was some argument too, I followed it for a while, but I just gave up eventually.

But I don't think there is a point to jumping and defending my beliefs from a person who's only goal with this thread is attacking me. There is no point if I cannot change his mind.