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It's a game published by a Japanese company and developed by a Canadian studio. So long as they have someone like MadWorld's Yokozuna, and a Dudley Do-Right of sorts, then they should be fine. Equal opportunity insensitivity, just like South Park.



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WereKitten said:
Shanobi said:

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I didn't think you were raving mad about it, or anything. It's just weird the hubbub that things bring about now, especially with the web. The incident with RE5, and people screaming racism was, I think, the absolute peak of this insanity. Nobody seemed to mind that a bunch of spaniards got wasted in RE4. 

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Well, to be honest RE4 was quite different:

- Spanish people are not still elaborating an ethnic history in which the most relevant subject is oppression until very recent past from other ethnicities

- The villagers in RE4 were not depicted as stereotypes. Let them speak english or french and you could say the game was set in Oxfordshire or Normandy. If they were all wielding muletas and dressed up as toreadors I bet Spanish would have something to say about the game. In RE5 you got body-painted, weed-gown-clad, shield-masked, spear-throwing villagers...

I understand that the Japanese culture has historically been a secluded one, but that doesn't excuse them from learning today to go beyond bigotry. Asian-american people hated the Mickey Rooney character in "Breakfast at Tiffany" and rightly so. I guess we can ask Japanese works that depict other cultures the same respect that was asked for after that western work... and that came up in '61.

 

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So the people in RE5 were stereotypes, but the people in RE4 were not?

 

History has nothing to do with this. You can find so many races that have gone through oppression of all varieties. Saying "no, you can't do that with africans" just sounds like white guilt, and only allows the breeding of more hate. We shouldn't be playing the game of "you can't depict these people in this way, but *these* people are fine."

 



 

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Shanobi said:

 

So the people in RE5 were stereotypes, but the people in RE4 were not?

 

History has nothing to do with this. You can find so many races that have gone through oppression of all varieties. Saying "no, you can't do that with africans" just sounds like white guilt, and only allows the breeding of more hate. We shouldn't be playing the game of "you can't depict these people in this way, but *these* people are fine."

 

Indeed: people in RE5 were racial stereotypes, but the people in RE4 were not.

And history has everything to do with this, as long as history will affect the undertones that the scenes depicted have for those who watch/play them. Rationalizing in terms of "it's all in the past, so 50 years ago or 500 years ago is the same" is shallow.

 



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WereKitten said:
Shanobi said:

 

So the people in RE5 were stereotypes, but the people in RE4 were not?

 

History has nothing to do with this. You can find so many races that have gone through oppression of all varieties. Saying "no, you can't do that with africans" just sounds like white guilt, and only allows the breeding of more hate. We shouldn't be playing the game of "you can't depict these people in this way, but *these* people are fine."

 

Indeed: people in RE5 were racial stereotypes, but the people in RE4 were not.

And history has everything to do with this, as long as history will affect the undertones that the scenes depicted have for those who watch/play them. Rationalizing in terms of "it's all in the past, so 50 years ago or 500 years ago is the same" is shallow.

 

 

Please, explain how the spaniards weren't steroetypes, but the africans were?



 

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Shanobi said:

 

Please, explain how the spaniards weren't steroetypes, but the africans were?

In RE4 you have generic european country peasants - oh, by the way, they curse in spanish. So you are probably in Spain?

In RE5 you have africans, thus of course when you walk through a village they wear grass gowns, big shield-shaped masks and wield spears.

Plus your companion is a black woman- well, not that black, we don't want to mess up too much the aesthetic sensibiity of the white male audience - so she has her own jungle princess costume, complete of leopard bikini top.

Please... I understand that it's more clumsy than malicious, but still why defend the idiocy?



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I think the stereotypes just add humor to the game. They aren't overly offensive or anything. They're just satire.



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WereKitten said:
Shanobi said:

 

Please, explain how the spaniards weren't steroetypes, but the africans were?

In RE4 you have generic european country peasants - oh, by the way, they curse in spanish. So you are probably in Spain?

In RE5 you have africans, thus of course when you walk through a village they wear grass gowns, big shield-shaped masks and wield spears.

Plus your companion is a black woman- well, not that black, we don't want to mess up too much the aesthetic sensibiity of the white male audience - so she has her own jungle princess costume, complete of leopard bikini top.

Please... I understand that it's more clumsy than malicious, but still why defend the idiocy?

I've always felt that by making RE5 not seem as stereo typed( or they tried, I can't tell actually) that they actually made it worse, which is funny.



TopCat8 said:
I think the stereotypes just add humor to the game. They aren't overly offensive or anything. They're just satire.

 

This and I agree with a few others that have posted.  If you get offended by stereotypes then you need to lighten up.  It would be like someone calling all Americans fat just because we have around a 35-50% or whatever obesity rate.  Even if you were fat and American does it really matter?  Not all stereotypes are right or whatever but does it matter?  Anyone that is offended by stereotypes needs to realize that just because someone says something "offensive" doesn't mean it is the end of the world.