Maskedpainter said:
vlad321 said:
Maskedpainter said:
When it comes to rape, I still believe the child has done nothing wrong so why should it be killed? Obviously the mother could give it up for adoption. In terms of the mother possibly dying from the pregnancy then I believe abortion is an option, because what rights do we honestly have if not the right of self perseverance? Aside from those extremes I cannot justify snuffing out a life for convenience, which is what 99.9% of abortions are done for.
I am not arguing a faith based argument here, all I am doing is advocating the rights held by a human being in every stage of its life, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another. The fact that abortions are done for convenience so that not to put the mother into a position where she has to raise a child are not greater than the right to life by the child. The right to life of the mother (for you nitpickers obviously in the physical sense) if threaten by an impending birth outweighs the life of the child due to the ability of the mother to communicate her wishes and invoke her right of self perseverance. That is where a lot of my more ‘religious’ friends disagree with me.
We have two extremes to this issue and both sides look completely selfish and utterly misguided. One extreme demands abortion on demand and claims a human being in the early stages isn’t a human being and thus there is a right to violate its right to life. They use arguments justifying murder yet claim they are compassionate to the plight of the women, who the VAST majority of the time walks away with severe emotional damage. The other side refuses to accept the option of abortion in any sense, risking the life of women and even abused children because they alone have the authority to risk human life for they own twisted view of saving grace with their god. Yet the woman dies or has medical problems which in turn make her a dependent of society and a hollow husk of the possible life she could have had.
To borrow a line from the beginning of the thread, those who advocate abortion are all alive themselves. Like the people who wants to lower the number of human beings, just like those who advocate abortion under any circumstance, who gives anyone the right to make that choice? Might want to read the forward to State of Fear before you advocate lowering our numbers, or by all means just like that dumb ass in England who sterilized herself to do her part to save the planet, please do so and leave the rest of us alone.
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That's my point exactly. Who the f*ck are you to say what a woman can and can't do? Have you or your wife been in such a position? You don't know shit when it comes to the situations under abortion, plain and simple. I might as well argue with my physics prof about physics (im not a PHS major at all). Even if you were in such a situation, your conditions may have been far far better off than someone else's. Therefore, pro-Arrogance.
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And yes, having been in that situation and being married to someone who has gone through with an abortion (who now volunteers to sheer young women away from that 'choice) I have seen firsthand the damage of not just my wife, but countless women who bought into the argument that the child has no rights and it's okay, no, it's a sign of women empowerment to kill their child. If good men (which regardless of sex I doubt anyone advocates for choice are) stand by while those who cannot defend themselves, those who have the rights willfully abused and discarded and say nothing are as guilty as those promoting and advancing the abortion agenda. The sheer violence it has done to women in this country, the level of emotional damage that stays with them for decades, hell their entire life and the fact that the abortion movement was started to wean out the undesirables in our society.
I said early on it makes me smile considering the fact those who advocate abortion either do not reproduce or do so in smaller numbers, so for me it's all a waiting game. Who the fuck am I? Where the fuck was anyone trying to save these girls from making a choice that does more damage then the child possibly could have done to them? Christ, we have seen more women venture into drug abuse and accept spousal abuse based on their diminished self wroth because they feel empty and guilty for what they've done, EVEN in the face of those tell them they did nothing wrong. Arrogance isn't the word, fucking retarded rather.
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Wow, you are just a winner at this debating thing. You start by insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you, you defer to personal experience rather than facts of the situation, you quote statistics with nothing to back them up, you make gross generalisations, you put words in people's mouths and then you finish with more insults.
I actually respected your position at first, even if i didn't agree with it, because at least it was consistent, and then you ruined it by saying abortion is OK in some situations. You are aware that what is/was right for you and your partner is not necessarily right for everyone else. You are not everyone else's moral compass, you are not smarter or more experienced in life than everyone else and you haven't magically discovered the answer to a question that has been contemplated for thousands of years. What you have is a position, an opinion and you would do well, as a member of this society that you claim to know so much of, to learn the difference. And no, insulting people, making up facts, generalising and generally being obnoxious doesn't make your opinion more valid.
I can respect someone who takes a pro-life stance but people like you, with your extremist, self deferential, condencending tone and fact twisting, are the reason that the Pro-Life movement has been gradually losing impetus.
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