simple question, i think it is, i love the NHS which we have here in the UK
It should be a right!
Poor people make poor judgments when it comes to economic planning.
We should forgive them for that and help them even when society 'warned them' in advance, about not living a careless life, not caring to plan for the future.
I will always be willing to aid some of the fools with my hard earned money.
A right? no. Something that should be available to all in such a prosperous society? Yes.
If we can spend massive amounts of money on killing people, we can spend massive amounts of money to save people.
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Depends on the Healthcare and the country.
In the US for example the government is supposed to protect 3 main rights.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Healthcare falls under both Life and Happiness. (not the pursuit)
Healthcare that perserves Life is a right.
Elective healthcare is happiness... and not the pursuit of it.
So.... Heart surgery = Right.
Plastic Surgery = Not a Right.
Furthermore how it is paid for is an issue. Since Progressive taxation would be a violation of "Liberty".
As Liberty should include everyone being treated as equals.
I think it should be a right.
There are people born with terminal illnesses (not their fault) and no money (not their fault). So blaming the poor and saying they're stupid with money is really elitist and not even true.
The whole world can afford to have clean water, food, and good health care for the whole world. We should just handle that shit for everybody for free, and get it out of the way. Then we can pile all the free market madness we want on top of that.
| Kasz216 said: Depends on the Healthcare and the country. In the US for example the government is supposed to protect 3 main rights. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Healthcare falls under both Life and the Pursuit of Happiness. Healthcare that perserves Life is a right. Elective healthcare is happiness... and not the pursuit of it. So.... Heart surgery = Right. Plastic Surgery = Not a Right. Furthermore how it is paid for is an issue. Since Progressive taxation would be a violation of "Liberty". As Liberty should include everyone being treated as equals. |
you gotta be careful with elective healthcare, plastic surgery i can agree with you on though
PT is the only way to pay for it, flat tax would mean the poor pay more than they can afford (if you have state healthcare) or they dont get healthcare, which again is not fair on the poor, so the rich pay to help the poor, which is more than fair imo.
SciFiBoy said:
you gotta be careful with elective healthcare, plastic surgery i can agree with you on though |
How so?
If your going to be covering national healthcare i'd think you'd be covering food and shelter as well. As it would be stupid to be covering healthcare yet not those things since the lack of that would make the healthcare bill much more expensive.
With all needs taken care of how is there any percentage the poor can't afford to pay?
Also.... I believe the Healthcare per capita in the UK is around... $2,300?
That should eaisly be able to be made on a flat tax.
| Kasz216 said: Depends on the Healthcare and the country. |
Yes, non-essential healthcare isn't a right. Although obviously that raises the question of what is non-essential healthcare. Even plastic surgery can be "essential" in some cases if you have been horribly disfigured because of an accident.
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| Kasz216 said: Depends on the Healthcare and the country. |
Corrected, it is a common misconception that i thought as well until i took Constitutional Law.
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