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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:

dont read all my posts then, just pick the one before the one where i give figures, a BBC documentary i saw said that 13,000 people died in the US last year becuase they couldnt afford healthcare

FROM YOUR LINK ON WIKIPEDIA:

Medicaid is the United States health program for eligible individuals and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the states and federal government, and is managed by the states.[1] Among the groups of people served by Medicaid are eligible low-income parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Being poor, or even very poor, does not necessarily qualify an individual for Medicaid.[2] It is estimated that approximately 60 percent of poor Americans are not covered by Medicaid.[3] Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in the US. Because of the aging population, the fastest growing aspect of Medicaid is nursing home coverage.

The poorest Americans are covered.  That 60% aren't part of "The poorest."  They're above that.

Thanks for the ignorance though.

I do agree we could provide universal healthcare though... however the military isn't the budget i'd touch.  I'd cut all the free payouts that washington gives out.



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SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

dont read all my posts then, just pick the one before the one where i give figures, a BBC documentary i saw said that 13,000 people died in the US last year becuase they couldnt afford healthcare

FROM YOUR LINK ON WIKIPEDIA:

Medicaid is the United States health program for eligible individuals and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the states and federal government, and is managed by the states.[1] Among the groups of people served by Medicaid are eligible low-income parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Being poor, or even very poor, does not necessarily qualify an individual for Medicaid.[2] It is estimated that approximately 60 percent of poor Americans are not covered by Medicaid.[3] Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in the US. Because of the aging population, the fastest growing aspect of Medicaid is nursing home coverage.

The poorest Americans are covered.  That 60% aren't part of "The poorest."  They're above that.

Thanks for the ignorance though.

 

so, you think that people who are poor, but not too poor dont deserve healthcare



highwaystar101 on 10 April 2009
Kasz216 said:


Our poorest civilians do get healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

 

 

*Googles medicaid*

Sounds like a lovely socialist program that benefits many Americans

Note: I am not a socialist, I just like teasing lol



Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

dont read all my posts then, just pick the one before the one where i give figures, a BBC documentary i saw said that 13,000 people died in the US last year becuase they couldnt afford healthcare

FROM YOUR LINK ON WIKIPEDIA:

Medicaid is the United States health program for eligible individuals and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the states and federal government, and is managed by the states.[1] Among the groups of people served by Medicaid are eligible low-income parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Being poor, or even very poor, does not necessarily qualify an individual for Medicaid.[2] It is estimated that approximately 60 percent of poor Americans are not covered by Medicaid.[3] Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in the US. Because of the aging population, the fastest growing aspect of Medicaid is nursing home coverage.

The poorest Americans are covered.  That 60% aren't part of "The poorest."  They're above that.

Thanks for the ignorance though.

 

so, you think that people who are poor, but not too poor dont deserve healthcare

No.  I was just pointing out your ignorance and correcting your mistake.  You really seem to make a lot of misconceptions about stuff based on slanted documentries rather then actually doing any research yourself.

Which is a shame... doing research and seeing how things really work rather then having it force fed to you is a lot more educational and rewarding.

 



mrstickball on 10 April 2009

They don't deserve to have their healthcare given to them by robbing middle class and the rich to have it. They at least have an opportunity to work to pay for their own healthcare, which it seems the poorest cannot obtain.

Sorry, SciFi, Mafoo and I will always point to the fact that healthcare isn't a right, but a privilege.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:


Our poorest civilians do get healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

 

 

*Googles medicaid*

Sounds like a lovely socialist program that benefits many Americans

Note: I am not a socialist, I just like teasing lol

I agree.  I think we should increase it.  (People forget that i'm pro-universal healthcare.)

The problem is when you decide to pay for it by being predjudiced against one group that makes an easy target rather then having the country as a whole roll up their sleeves and say "Lets get this done for our country and our poor."

The first kind of thinking really promotes forming different castes and having them beat each other over the head, rather then a society that works together to get through it's troubles.

 



GamingChartzFTW on 10 April 2009

 

I'm just adding both of our posts in this one, so that it makes more sense (I edited my edit in your post).
[in blue]

Lolcislaw said:
Wow, the problem is that European Union is not working as a single economy, this organisation obviously ties those economies yet there are so many differences beetween nations states no once could consider EU as a single economy. It is. The Four Freedoms are already 'active' and functioning.

  • The free movement of goods;
  • The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers, and freedom of establishment;
  • The free movement of services;
  • The free movement of capital.

The European Central Bank in Frankfurt is responsible for monetary policy covering the 16 member States of the Eurozone.

To name a few (cause its alte):

-Euro is only a currency in 16 nation states More nations soon to come.
-There is a huge economic difference beetween states from Former Eastern Bloc (Poland , Hungary, Latvia) and those from the "old" Europe; France, UK or Germany That is the current situation, yes?
All those countries benefit differently from common agricultural policy for example
-There is a single market, but there is stiff competition within it. That's good.

Plus Europe will never become Unified like the United States, (We don't want to) i think it is a bit naive to believe in it. Too many cultural, language, ethnic and historical differences have been beetween the countries, and still are. Plus i dont think that majority of us Europeans would like any more unified Europe (european parliament does not really exert much influence on Goverments, They do! it has authority but rarely uses it). Constitution was rejected recently as well.

European Union is not doing as well as some people might think. Wrong. It's quite the opposite really!

Lolcislaw said:
GamingChartzFTW said:
Lolcislaw said:
Wow, the problem is that European Union is not working as a single economy, this organisation obviously ties those economies yet there are so many differences beetween nations states no once could consider EU as a single economy.

To name a few (cause its alte):

-Euro is only a currency in 16 nation states More nations soon to come. Theoretically, most Eeastern Economies arent capable yet of entering the Euro Zone. And some countries still oppose it.
-There is a huge economic difference beetween states from Former Eastern Bloc (Poland , Hungary, Latvia) and those from the "old" Europe; France, UK or Germany That is the current situation, yes? This will continue for Decades, I know quite the differences beetwen Poland and UK for example, and catching the standard of Living in the West will take loooong time.
All those countries benefit differently from common agricultural policy for example
-There is a single market, but there is stiff competition within it. That's good , yes it is but this adds to my thesis that you cannot count EU as a single eocnomy.

Plus Europe will never become Unified like the United States, (We don't want to) And thats good i think it is a bit naive to believe in it. Too many cultural, language, ethnic and historical differences have been beetween the countries, and still are. Plus i dont think that majority of us Europeans would like any more unified Europe (european parliament does not really exert much influence on Goverments, They do! They really dont, there biggest task recently was to get the new members to adjust to european law (which is good). But they do not tend to alter or influence the laws passed in Member states, mainly because it is a place for debate not for decision making. it has authority but rarely uses it). Constitution was rejected recently as well.

European Union is not doing as well as some people might think. Wrong. It's quite the opposite! Well looking at the economies of most nation states, one can say that its not preventing UK or other countries from suffering within the depression. Also decision making process within it is slow and beauracritised. Im not an EuroSceptic but EU needs a reform.

 

 

:D

 

There you go :D

 



SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

so, you think that people who are poor, but not too poor dont deserve healthcare

No.  I was just pointing out your ignorance and correcting your mistake.  You really seem to make a lot of misconceptions about stuff based on slanted documentries rather then actually doing any research yourself.

Which is a shame... doing research and seeing how things really work rather then having it force fed to you is a lot more educational and rewarding.

 

 

you call me fucking ignorant? you didnt even read your own link, it clearly says 60% of poor people (who cant afford health insurance i assume) cant get medicare? your post is arrogant flamebait, most of them are, so how dare you expect people to respond positively, your arrogance is unbelievable!



Kasz216 on 10 April 2009

Personally i think the reason the EU isn't bailing out the UK right now is they WANT the Pound to start to crash so the UK government will be forced to switch to the Euro.

Is that crazy?



okr on 10 April 2009
Lolcislaw said:

Wow, the problem is that European Union is not working as a single economy, this organisation obviously ties those economies yet there are so many differences beetween nations states no once could consider EU as a single economy.

To name a few (cause its late):

-Euro is only a currency in 16 nation states
-There is a huge economic difference beetween states from Former Eastern Bloc (Poland , Hungary, Latvia) and those from the "old" Europe; France, UK or Germany
All those countries benefit differently from common agricultural policy for example
-There is a single market, but there is stiff competition within it.

Plus Europe will never become Unified like the United States, i think it is a bit naive to believe in it. Too many cultural, language, ethnic and historical differences have been beetween the countries, and still are. Plus i dont think that majority of us Europeans would like any more unified Europe (european parliament does not really exert much influence on Goverments, it has authority but rarely uses it). Constitution was rejected recently as well.

European Union is not doing as well as some people might think.

This difference will decrease over time, that's one concept of the EU. I think the constitution was rejected because it came too early. This whole process of a united Europe takes time and I think it won't be finished during our lifetime. In my opinion the concept of a European Union already works much better than many Europeans would want to admit. I think the reason why many Europeans are still reluctant to accept the EU (or acknowledge the progresses already achieved) is mainly the fault of politiicans who stoke fears of people losing their national identities.

On topic: I don't care a second if the EU is (or will be) the greatest economy in the world. This is not a fight for power.