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yes PS3 sucks, we know



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Jo21 said:
well the ps3 it's selling third parties games better.

but sony doens't have the cult following nintendo have for their first party, games yet.

Wii has a lot more software sold then ps3(like 3 times more, don't quote me on this though bc I'm not sure)

It also has a lot more 1 million sellers and Sony will never be on par with the cult following Nintendo. Come'on, who can beat Mario and pokemon? Almost everyone knows zelda as well... Although most people think zelda is the boy lol.

 



axumblade said:
atma998 said:
axumblade said:


 

 

If you want to believe that Insomniac and Media Molecule are third party developer and that they could release LBP or Resistance on X360 or Wii have fun! You must be the only one here to believe that.

Okami did better on Wii than its PS2 counterpart. As for Zack & Wiki, nobody thought it will reach million. deBlob could be really near the million mark before the end of this year like Madworld. Finally No More Heroes will have a sequel so I guess Ubisoft is satisfied with its sales.  

 Whatever I just said there is a lot more big 3rd party exclusives on Wii than any other system and that's a fact.

I didn't say they could or would release Resistance 2 on the 360 or Wii. Things actually easily complicate themselves in the world of exclusives. Sony sure didn't stop Spyro when Insomniac sold the rights to Sierra (I think that was who bought them).

Oh. Believe me, I know that the Wii has way more 3rd party exclusives then any other system. Here's another fact for you.

 

Only 4% of the games on the Wii sit at an 85% or above, which is arguable from the "reviewers hate Nintendo aspect." But the 54% that ave below a 65% is terrible.

"From the Wii's launch through 2008, four percent of Wii games, or 12 games, have rated over 85 percent on average. Fifty-four percent of Wii games, or 155 titles, have rated below 65 percent.

This rate compares less favorably to the Xbox 360's and PS3's libraries, which laid claim to 48 and 36 85 percent-plus games, respectively. (See EEDAR charts for those consoles here and here.)"

The source for the info is Edge.com

Well everybody know that leading console is the one who received the most shovelwares. It was the case with the PS2 and it's now the case with the Wii. So I don't know what you are trying to prove but there is nothing new here and that doesnt change the fact that Insomniac or Media Molecule arent third party devs.

 

I was pointing out that you were bragging about the Wii having the largest third party support was craptastical. ;)

And i'm not planning on arguing my point when you're just trying to make it come down to "Nuh uh!" arguments.

 

Well at least you could have admit you were wrong but I guess this is too much to ask you.

 



How did I know this would come down to another "quality" debate? So disappointing... As usual, I have to point this out: reviews do not equal profits. It doesn't matter one whit what reviews say about games, the only thing that ultimately matters is how much the game earns.

Consider: if an astronomically acclaimed game was given unequivocal support by every review medium gaming has to turn to only sold 500 copies, would you call it a success? I should hope not; unless it cost peanuts to make, it'd never make back the cost of making it at that number of sales. That kind of support compared to the sales would indicate that the review system was horribly flawed, not reflecting the tastes of gamers at large.

Conversely, if a game received nothing but a mass of negative reviews from every review source out there, yet sold 100 million copies, would you call it a failure? Again, not likely; if anything, that kind of sales in the face of such negativity indicates a problem with the review system, not the game.

These are both extreme examples, but the point remains: reviews are meaningless on their own. Without correlation with a hard statistic like sales numbers, the numbers generated by opinion-centric tallies are entirely valueless for anything save perhaps proving the prevailing tastes of the people who wrote the reviews.



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Sky Render said:
How did I know this would come down to another "quality" debate? So disappointing... As usual, I have to point this out: reviews do not equal profits. It doesn't matter one whit what reviews say about games, the only thing that ultimately matters is how much the game earns.

Consider: if an astronomically acclaimed game was given unequivocal support by every review medium gaming has to turn to only sold 500 copies, would you call it a success? I should hope not; unless it cost peanuts to make, it'd never make back the cost of making it at that number of sales. That kind of support compared to the sales would indicate that the review system was horribly flawed, not reflecting the tastes of gamers at large.

Conversely, if a game received nothing but a mass of negative reviews from every review source out there, yet sold 100 million copies, would you call it a failure? Again, not likely; if anything, that kind of sales in the face of such negativity indicates a problem with the review system, not the game.

These are both extreme examples, but the point remains: reviews are meaningless on their own. Without correlation with a hard statistic like sales numbers, the numbers generated by opinion-centric tallies are entirely valueless for anything save perhaps proving the prevailing tastes of the people who wrote the reviews.

     Yeah, but then you have to consider someone like Tom Waits whom has been considered to be one of the greatest singer songwriters of the past 30 years, yet his music has never reached the audience that bits of fluff like Katy Perry routinely reach in one week on The American Top 40.  Does this indicate something wrong with Tom Waits' music?  No.  It just indicates that the majority only want fluff because it doesn't interfere with their daily lives or make them have to broaden their horizens.

 



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You kind of missed one of the important points I made: profitability. I'm fairly certain that Tom Watts, even with his lack of mainstream appeal, still manages to get by on what sales his music does get; clearly, or he would've left the musical entertainment industry by now. One of the key points I was making was that unprofitable games that are highly acclaimed are still unprofitable. And don't think that has no impact, either. There were an awful lot of game studios with recently released big-name titles reporting a loss during 2008. And of course the opposite is true too: games reviled by reviews that get droves of sales are immensely profitable.

"Quality" as defined by sites such as Metacritic have no meaningful correlation to the most significant quantities, sales and profitability. Meaning they have no correlation to the success or failure of the games and the system they're on at large, either, nor to overall popularity. All sites like Metacritic show is a snapshot of a given community of gamers' overall opinions concerning a mass of games, and while it is true that demand drives supply, in markets that survive, it's the overall demand that drives supply, not a small piece of the market demand.



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I am far past the point of getting sick of people bringing up metacritic scores. Who gives a shit if the game is 70 or 100? If it is something you enjoy playing then so be it.



hmm I thought he was going to talk smack? I guess he doesn't hate the competion.



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Galaki said:
axumblade said:

He did say the PS3 had some great games that don't sell though.

That's unpossible. Only the Wii can't sell great games.

 

 

SSBB, SMG, LoZ, and more would have to disagree with this ignorant statement, but nice try though ;).

 

 

lol @ topic, I noticed this was a question asked to him and not some blatent PR stunt, but of course the sony fanboys are all over this.  Plus I noticed he wasn't even bashing the competition.  Kutos to Reggie for not sinking that low.



                           

axumblade said:
atma998 said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
Maybe his comment is a sentiment towards frustration that the PS3 does get great games even though it has the least marketshare and in many cases is more expensive to develop for.

 

 Apart MGS4 what great exclusive games did PS3 get or will have in the near future???

Third party

US/EU = Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Valkyria Chronicles, inFamous,

Japan = Yakuza 3, White Knight Chronicles, Demon's Souls, Warriors Orochi Z

Not really an exclusive.

It's the 360/PS2 Warriors Orochi 1&2 on one disc with some added content.