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First, the graphic engine of PoP is really impressive, very beautiful, with a lot of effects. So unless you plan to drop most of all the coolness, it couldn't be handled by the wii.

Second, you wouldn't want it. This game is terribly boring.



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Bokal said:
First, the graphic engine of PoP is really impressive, very beautiful, with a lot of effects. So unless you plan to drop most of all the coolness, it couldn't be handled by the wii.

Second, you wouldn't want it. This game is terribly boring.

 

 lies all lies, the game can be done intact on the wii, it'll just be that we'll have to wait like 2min or so per frame....as they say patients is a virtue, plus the game will be 100+ hours, worth the the money I'd say.



jake_the_fake1 said:
all this talk about graphics, did people here sundenly forget that the wii isn't about graphics, it's about a new control scheme to bring in the masses and the new gameplay that the controller brings along with it...this is what the wii's about.

 

Graphics have always mattered, an extra touch of magic and awesomeness has always mattered, and that's the kind of thinking that exasperates me: "the Wii isn't about graphics"... why?

Are all Wii owners blind, or what?

As you can see in my sig, i could care less about HD... it's all about art style, great design, a few tricks and some technical details... by saying Wii isn't about graphics like that, and spreading that kind of statement all over the net, it's like no one has to do any effort, ever...

Do i pay my games 10 or 20 euros? No, i pay them full price, so please dear developpers, give me a full work, and not a half-baked one, if you want my 50 euros...

On PS2, it was absolutely normal to try, on PS360, it's absolutely normal to try, on PC, it has always been absolutely normal to try, and on Wii, no, that's not important?

Why always treat Wii with a double standard? Why can't some devs out there be proud to use the space of a DVD fully and very well? High Voltage guys are tryin' their best, but i'd like to see some of the best A-teams all over the world try their best too... and it's not only about controls and gameplay, Wii owners deserve a full and well rounded effort, too...

 



 

"A beautiful drawing in 480i will stay beautiful forever...

and an ugly drawing in 1080p will stay ugly forever..."

What audacity, to think that Wii development teams aren't trying their best. Wow. They have no pride in their work, eh? They must all be slacking dimwits.

Couldn't have anything to do with them being severely understaffed, and short on schedule, so that the publishers can claim "costs 1/4th as much!" to the press and their stockholders.  What a joke.

Wii owners with that kind of attitude don't deserve quality software, just like the publishers who fund such meager efforts don't deserve to profit from them. Wii games suffer from lack of monetary investment, and that's it. They're cheap, and they suck for it. That's all there is to it.

Raise the price, raise the bar.  That's the real difference between Nintendo 1st party titles, and 3rd party ones.



 

Ail said:
dahuman said:
Ail said:
68soul said:


With some money, some talent and some time, everything is possible...

But if Nintendo has money, talent and time, plus the inner knowledge of the console's architecture, others are way too lazy, or way too insecure, to use the (supposedly too limited) hardware to its best...

But of course, they could do it easily on another famous SD console, weaker than the GC, itself weaker than Wii...

But it then took 2 or 3 years to take to best out of the (hard to program for) PS2, and this while treating it like the market leader from day one, with a lot of dedication and patience... all the best PS2 games were out between 2002 and 2006, and not in 2000 or 2001... people easily forget...

If some devs finally try their best on Wii, receive the money from the investors, take all the time needed, and show us their incredible talent, it will be so late that their games won't be ready before 2011 at best...

Bad management, you've said bad management? Yeah, "everybody" thought the PS360 were the sure shots, and the Wii the failure... no money for the Wii, no time for the Wii, no talent for the Wii... we saw the results, thanks... how can anybody be surprised the 1st party titles are so dominant in such a landscape?

I don't think there is a current Wii game as gorgeous as the latest Prince of Persia so I guess Nintendo can't either...( or they can but won't bother, your pick).

 

 

The whole game is cel-shaded anyways, if they lower everything to fit 480p and make a good engine for Wii, it's doable, just has to make a lot of custom shaders.

 

My whole point was that you criticize third Parties for being lazy and not trying to do amazing things graphically on the Wii but it's an area where Nintedo hasn't really done much either...

 

Super mario galaxy, super smash bros brawl and metroid prime 3 say hi! The design art in these games are a lot better then most games I've seen on the xbox360 and ps3.



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Procrastinato said:

What audacity, to think that Wii development teams aren't trying their best. Wow. They have no pride in their work, eh? They must all be slacking dimwits.

Couldn't have anything to do with them being severely understaffed, and short on schedule, so that the publishers can claim "costs 1/4th as much!" to the press. What a joke.

Wii owners with that kind of attitude don't deserve quality software, just like the publishers who fund such meager efforts don't deserve to profit from them. Wii games suffer from lack of monetary investment, and that's it. They're cheap, and they suck for it. That's all there is to it.

Raise the price, raise the bar.  That's the real difference between Nintendo 1st party titles, and 3rd party ones.

 

What kind of attitude do Wii owners have? Just tell me... am i supposed to applaud when no big budget game has ever been planned on Wii since 2006? I think Red Steel is still the most costly effort ever tried by any 3rd party so far... and as it was a rushed and not too successfull effort...

I know it's not only about talent, it's also all about time and money... but all the industry's money has been invested on HD textures and engines these days, and i don't see why i'm supposed to be happy with the way things are...

I don't deserve quality software? Yeah, right: i deserve quality software just like i deserve quality comments... hard to find these days, Procrastinato, right?

 



 

"A beautiful drawing in 480i will stay beautiful forever...

and an ugly drawing in 1080p will stay ugly forever..."

jake_the_fake1 said:
Bokal said:
First, the graphic engine of PoP is really impressive, very beautiful, with a lot of effects. So unless you plan to drop most of all the coolness, it couldn't be handled by the wii.

Second, you wouldn't want it. This game is terribly boring.

 

 lies all lies, the game can be done intact on the wii, it'll just be that we'll have to wait like 2min or so per frame....as they say patients is a virtue, plus the game will be 100+ hours, worth the the money I'd say.

 

thank you I agree with you very much. if developers are patient enough and not lazy it could be made on the wii exactly




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68soul said:
Procrastinato said:

What audacity, to think that Wii development teams aren't trying their best. Wow. They have no pride in their work, eh? They must all be slacking dimwits.

Couldn't have anything to do with them being severely understaffed, and short on schedule, so that the publishers can claim "costs 1/4th as much!" to the press. What a joke.

Wii owners with that kind of attitude don't deserve quality software, just like the publishers who fund such meager efforts don't deserve to profit from them. Wii games suffer from lack of monetary investment, and that's it. They're cheap, and they suck for it. That's all there is to it.

Raise the price, raise the bar.  That's the real difference between Nintendo 1st party titles, and 3rd party ones.

 

What kind of attitude do Wii owners have? Just tell me... am i supposed to applaud when no big budget game has ever been planned on Wii since 2006? I think Red Steel is still the most costly effort ever tried by any 3rd party so far... and as it was a rushed and not too successfull effort...

I know it's not only about talent, it's also all about time and money... but all the industry's money has been invested on HD textures and engines these days, and i don't see why i'm supposed to be happy with the way things are...

I don't deserve quality software? Yeah, right: i deserve quality software just like i deserve quality comments... hard to find these days, Procrastinato, right?

 

If you are not happy with what the wii is offering, why don't you just get another console along with your wii?

 



68soul said:
Procrastinato said:

What audacity, to think that Wii development teams aren't trying their best. Wow. They have no pride in their work, eh? They must all be slacking dimwits.

Couldn't have anything to do with them being severely understaffed, and short on schedule, so that the publishers can claim "costs 1/4th as much!" to the press. What a joke.

Wii owners with that kind of attitude don't deserve quality software, just like the publishers who fund such meager efforts don't deserve to profit from them. Wii games suffer from lack of monetary investment, and that's it. They're cheap, and they suck for it. That's all there is to it.

Raise the price, raise the bar.  That's the real difference between Nintendo 1st party titles, and 3rd party ones.

 

What kind of attitude do Wii owners have? Just tell me... am i sup posed to applaud when no big budget game has ever been planned on Wii since 2006? I think Red Steel is still the most costly effort ever tried by any 3rd party so far... and as it was a rushed and not too successfull effort...

I know it's not only about talent, it's also all about time and money... but all the industry's money has been invested on HD textures and engines these days, and i don't see why i'm supposed to be happy with the way things are...

I don't deserve quality software? Yeah, right: i deserve quality software just like i deserve quality comments... hard to find these days, Procrastinato, right?

 

You should be angry about budgets.  You should not be knocking poor developers for not getting those budgets, and blaming them, rather than the publishers.  That's my point.

Every time some publisher, or even someone here on the forums raises the "Publishers should make games on Wii, because making Wii games is so cheap" flag, you should be outraged, if you are truly a fan of the Wii.

 



 

Esa-Petteri said:

If you are not happy with what the wii is offering, why don't you just get another console along with your wii?

 

 

Because i also have a DS and a PC, and if you look at my profile, many, many other passions in my life...

My budget isn't the one of a millionnaire, even if i have a 5000 vinyls collection, a huge sci-fi library, most of my favourite movies and animes on DVD, and so on and so on... oh, yeah, and also: two kids to raise in a tough economic situation...

When i want a game, i pay it with my money, not with dad's or mommy's money: see what i just did?

Now, if PS3 was $200, and with a full PS2 BC, i'd like to finally buy Shadow of the Colossus or Ico... but it won't happen, and some of my best friends have the games, so sorry for Sony, but NO, i won't have a second job to pay myself a PS3, they can kiss my ass...

And most games on X360 are not my cup of tea, i'm in it for the japanese games...

Is that enough for you?

Btw: i usually don't like your comments, at all... just like i don't like trolls and gobelins...

 

 



 

"A beautiful drawing in 480i will stay beautiful forever...

and an ugly drawing in 1080p will stay ugly forever..."