The PS3 in the end will have at least slightly better graphics than any other console out, just depends on how much work developers want to put into the game to get those said graphics.

MikeB said: @ sieanr So, do you work in the game industry? No, but I had my own tech company in the past and know various games developers and low level programmers. I mostly quote low level games developers regarding the PS3's potential. If I quote myself, I would for example quote myself from long before the PS3 launched: "It will probably take some time before developers manage to get the most out of this platform, as has for example also been the case with the classic Amiga chipsets." Considering my experience, I would never have claimed the same with regard to the 360. And I think there originates some differences of opinion, many people seemed to have expected near optimal results from the PS3 early on, however IMO for this the used architecture was too different and innovative for its time, compared to tradional game engines. I was also referring to a modern console dev kit I am not a games developer, I do however have a Linux/CellSDK installed on my PS3.

The bolded is true of virtually every console released. Thats not insightful, its common fucking sense.

Otherwise thanks for proving my point. You're a man with no experience developing games, yet you criticize the opinion of people who do it everyday as being off base. Don't you see a problem with that? Its like a kid who modifies his car on the weekend claiming the things an F1 mechanic says as off base, wrong and fanboyish.

who really cares which one is more powerful, neither of them have shown to look graphically more powerful then the other, although I will agree that the PS3 most likely has more potential that hasn't been realized yet. But again does it really matter, last gen the Gamecube, original xbox, and in my opinion even the Dreamcast were more powerful then the PS2. And we all know how last gen turned out. Power doesn't mean squat as long as the competitors have something that is comparably close.

@ morpheusx

I do, I think it's exciting to see the PS3's potential unfold. I also think some of this additional potential can already be clearly witnessed in PS3 exclusives such as Motorstorm: Pacific Rift (online multi-player), LittleBigPlanet (user created content), Killzone 2 (graphics, audio, online, etc), Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (good HDR combined with AA), Super Stardust HD (onscreen activity), Metal Gear Solid 4 (assets), etc.

Despite the Atari ST being cheaper at the time, the additional potential of the Amiga was an important reason why the ST was pushed out of the market eventually. Consindering mass propaganda, it seems many vivid 360 fans seem to care as well. Most current PS3 owners seem to care as the better specced 600 dollar PS3 considerably outperformed the 500 dollar PS3 at retail around launch.



I never owned a PS2, but IMO the Dreamcast potential would have been held back by sticking to CD. The GameCube was IMO a kid targeted lunchbox console, it lacked games such as God of War, Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid, etc. The original XBox shared nearly all its games with the PC, it was like a cut down PC, I already owned a PC.

Unlike as was the case with regard to the 3DO, I think the PS3's potential will be realized, its installed base this early is already over 10 times as many users.

Why should this even matter?

Are people so vain these days to let something so stupid that matters not to a consumer to enjoy our games any less?

gergroy said: Samus Aran said: Cypher1980 said: Well this wont end well. Its like telling a mother that her baby is ugly. Everyone knows, it but no one ever says it. Lol   double lol OT:  I don't see why some of you are saying this is a dumb topic.  It's the perspective of an ACTUAL DEVELOPER, not a fanboy.  God forbid somebody in the business actually talk about how things actually are, because we, as fans of games, know a million times more about the architexture and programming that goes into making games.

This is silly.  That game developer is just about the ONLY one that has a game STILL runing sub-HD on the PS3.  He just can't write good code.  That's all.  Even the B3D site (full of developers) were just wondering why the game isn't in HD.  Plus, he is ONE developer against 3 or 4 developers that say otherwise (recently).

Team Ninja Boss

Red Faction Devs

Namco Bandai's Katsuhiro Harada

 

Plus, we know that Kameo (1st gen X360 game) used 2.5 out of 3 cores (slide 17). PGR3 wasn't far behind.

If people are STILL believing the X360 is as powerful as the PS3 or more powerful, they should be locked away from the people of average or better intelligence.

Ryudo said: Why should this even matter? Are people so vain these days to let something so stupid that matters not to a consumer to enjoy our games any less?

I think you should be more open minded. I fully respect and accept if people stick to preferring a PS2, Wii or a Snes. IMO nothing to be upset about, like you display here. Game consoles are luxury items. Why should someone for example become upset if a neighor buys a big 1080p HDTV, while you pick a small SDTV for your own reasons? (or vice versa) There are good reasons for picking both (having consumer choice is IMO good, so luckily the PS3 isn't much like a Wii), for example due to pricing or for example your VCR, Amiga 500 or Snes looking less nice upscaled compared to on an interlaced display.

More people may be visiting MacDonalds than people who are visiting top restaurants for a varierty of reasons, that does not mean MacDonalds should be the only option available to everyone.

PS3 developers still have a lot of headroom to achieve more, PS3 exclusives already are amongst the most beautiful and best sounding games available on the market (and this including PC games, as Windows gaming has become less relevant over the years).

People do care about specifications, lots of PC gamers upgraded their PCs over the decades, just to play Doom, Quake, Half-Life or whatever better than they did with their previous PC specs. Developers tapping more from the PS3's potential, will not require PS3 owners to upgrade.

MikeB said: Ryudo said: Why should this even matter? Are people so vain these days to let something so stupid that matters not to a consumer to enjoy our games any less? I think you should be more open minded. I fully respect and accept if people stick to preferring a PS2, Wii or a Snes. IMO nothing to be upset about, like you display here. Game consoles are luxury items. Why should someone for example become upset if a neighor buys a big 1080p HDTV, while you pick a small SDTV for your own reasons? (or vice versa) There are good reasons for picking both (having consumer choice is IMO good, so luckily the PS3 isn't much like a Wii), for example due to pricing or for example your VCR, Amiga 500 or Snes looking less nice upscaled compared to on an interlaced display. More people may be visiting MacDonalds than people who are visiting top restaurants for a varierty of reasons, that does not mean MacDonalds should be the only option available to everyone. PS3 developers still have a lot of headroom to achieve more, PS3 exclusives already are amongst the most beautiful and best sounding games available on the market (and this including regarding PC games, as Windows gaming has become less relevant over the years. People do care about specifications, lots of PC gamers upgraded their PCs over the decades, just to play Doom, Quak, Hal-Life or whatever better than they did with their old specs. Developers tapping more from the PS3 potential, will not require PS3 owners to upgrade.

That is very true.  Everyone should take a look at the chart below.  Where you see white spaces is room for improvement.  This is for Killzone 2, BTW.  The site clips part of the chart, so you could copy the link and view the entire image in a separate browser window.

Also, for those that don't know, the Blu-ray drive, in the PS3, is faster than the DVD drive in the X360 for any game requiring a DL-DVD.  The BD drive would be 1MB/s faster.  I saw someone post something different on the 1st page, so I wanted to address that.

@ Ascended_Saiyan3

Those white spots is spare SPU time which could be dedicated to running new SPU systems without further optimization. However there are also endless oppertunities to further optimize the existing SPU/PPU systems already up and running.

That's one of the reasons why leading PS3 developers such as Insomniac, Naught Dog, SCE Studios Santa Monica and Guerilla Games suggest not to optimize too much early on, it's probably better to start significantly optimizing existing code when you start to run out of performance resources. They suggest to move as many as possible functions from PPU (and GPU) towards the SPUs first (ideally near everything, dev time permitting taking into account for when your game is set to be released) and foremost optimize for code structure, low level code optimizations (hard work!) can be done in the future.

X-Bot's still digging in the crates for FUD from 2006-2007? Boy those were the days huh? As if anyone gies a shit what some prick who worked on rockband thinks. Rockband has some N64 looking graphics.