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antfromtashkent on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
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But the idea of god makes people more likely to think the voices are valid.

But I'm not only talking about people who are actually crazy and hear voices. I'm talking about perfectly sane people who think god answered their prayers when they just got lucky or waited long enough, and things of that nature.

I don't really have a problem with the idea of god when someones idea of god isn't bullshit, but when someone's idea of god involves prayer, faith, or worship, it does harm by degrading their logic.

1. You cannot blame god for every whackjob that mutters the name god after they killed 30 people..... you have absolutelly no proof that things would be any different if the "idea" of god was not there.

2. Where are you geting that information from?

3. So you think that the perfect antswer to people who ram religeon down people's throats is to create an ad that does the opposite for your cause for no reason at all?

 

 

 1. Umm, you're right, I can't blame god for every whackjob that murders in the name of their god. But I can say that it influenced them in a negative way.

2. Where do I get my information about sane people thinking prayer works? How about from going to church, and also hearing lots of stupid people tell stories about how they prayed and god answered their prayers.

3. I don't understand the question.

1. Same as last post but second part

2. How is that a bad thing? and how does that hurt the society?

3. That was reagading the original topic of this thread :P

 



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mrstickball on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
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Now, where do you get this idea that belief in god doesn't hurt anyone, anything, or isn't detrimental to health?

Probably from being a Christian my entire life, and seeing the positive impact it's had on hundreds of people I've personally met. Can religion hurt people? Absolutely. But so can a car. If used properly, it's a great thing. If used improperly, it's a terrible thing. Look at the wicked Catholic church from 500-1700AD, and the power trip they went on. That doesn't mean that 100% of religion is bad, merely the people that use it for things that it wasn't intended to be. 

Umm, so you do think the ideas of god and religion can cause harm right? That's my point. 

It can cause harm. Just like everything else in life. That doesn't make religion bad.

The idea of God does do harm. If you deny that you're delusional. Some people think God's on their side, thus causing them to do horrible things and feel good about themselves. I'm not saying all religious people are like this, but some are, and that's the problem, it DOES do harm.

I can say the very same thing of atheism. Eugenics, anyone?

You can say the same thing about atheism? So what? My point was that it caused harm when you said it doesn't harm anything. Atheism can be harmful too.

Where'd I say that religion never, ever harmed anything?

 

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009
mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:

Now, where do you get this idea that belief in god doesn't hurt anyone, anything, or isn't detrimental to health?

Probably from being a Christian my entire life, and seeing the positive impact it's had on hundreds of people I've personally met. Can religion hurt people? Absolutely. But so can a car. If used properly, it's a great thing. If used improperly, it's a terrible thing. Look at the wicked Catholic church from 500-1700AD, and the power trip they went on. That doesn't mean that 100% of religion is bad, merely the people that use it for things that it wasn't intended to be. 

Umm, so you do think the ideas of god and religion can cause harm right? That's my point. 

It can cause harm. Just like everything else in life. That doesn't make religion bad.

You're correct, the fact that it can cause harm isn't why religion is bad, it's bad because it can cause harm and is also unnecesary. 

The idea of God does do harm. If you deny that you're delusional. Some people think God's on their side, thus causing them to do horrible things and feel good about themselves. I'm not saying all religious people are like this, but some are, and that's the problem, it DOES do harm.

I can say the very same thing of atheism. Eugenics, anyone?

You can say the same thing about atheism? So what? My point was that it caused harm when you said it doesn't harm anything. Atheism can be harmful too.

Where'd I say that religion never, ever harmed anything?

Right here: "It's not like a belief in God actually hurts anyone, or anything, or is detrimental to ones health."

 

 

 

 



WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:

1. You cannot blame god for every whackjob that mutters the name god after they killed 30 people..... you have absolutelly no proof that things would be any different if the "idea" of god was not there.

2. Where are you geting that information from?

3. So you think that the perfect antswer to people who ram religeon down people's throats is to create an ad that does the opposite for your cause for no reason at all?

 

 

 1. Umm, you're right, I can't blame god for every whackjob that murders in the name of their god. But I can say that it influenced them in a negative way.

2. Where do I get my information about sane people thinking prayer works? How about from going to church, and also hearing lots of stupid people tell stories about how they prayed and god answered their prayers.

3. I don't understand the question.

1. Same as last post but second part

2. How is that a bad thing? and how does that hurt the society?

3. That was reagading the original topic of this thread :P

 

1. It influenced them in a negative way because it supported their worldview. There might have been other factors that influenced them, but religion has played a major role with a lot of crazy people doing crazy things.

2. It wastes time, also it makes people less logical, instead of just assuming the correct thing, that they prayed and it came true through cause and effect, they assume they got what they wanted because a magic force called god did it.

3. I think the ad is justified, but it should have something about treating other people right. It makes atheists sounds immoral.



antfromtashkent on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
 

1. You cannot blame god for every whackjob that mutters the name god after they killed 30 people..... you have absolutelly no proof that things would be any different if the "idea" of god was not there.

2. Where are you geting that information from?

3. So you think that the perfect antswer to people who ram religeon down people's throats is to create an ad that does the opposite for your cause for no reason at all?

 

 

 1. Umm, you're right, I can't blame god for every whackjob that murders in the name of their god. But I can say that it influenced them in a negative way.

2. Where do I get my information about sane people thinking prayer works? How about from going to church, and also hearing lots of stupid people tell stories about how they prayed and god answered their prayers.

3. I don't understand the question.

1. Same as last post but second part

2. How is that a bad thing? and how does that hurt the society?

3. That was reagading the original topic of this thread :P

 

1. It influenced them in a negative way because it supported their worldview. There might have been other factors that influenced them, but religion has played a major role with a lot of crazy people doing crazy things.

2. It wastes time, also it makes people less logical, instead of just assuming the correct thing, that they prayed and it came true through cause and effect, they assume they got what they wanted because a magic force called god did it.

3. I think the ad is justified, but it should have something about treating other people right. It makes atheists sounds immoral.

1. Once again lol... u can assume that since u dont know that if religeon dint exist if they would do the same thing.

2. What you said here and the way you worded it makes this no different than dribble from a religious nut... but the direct opposite. The fact that you dont believe in it does not make it not true and you have no rite to bash other peoples beliefs.

3. How is it justified? freedom of free speach blah blah blah yeh i know... but what is the point of it? to convert people away from religion? But what is he gaining from it? The ad is very distructive for no apparant reason..... Im not offended by it in anyway... because i believe that people have a rite to believe in nything they want.... and this is no different from religeous nuts pushing their religion onto others.

 



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mrstickball on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:

Umm, so you do think the ideas of god and religion can cause harm right? That's my point. 

It can cause harm. Just like everything else in life. That doesn't make religion bad.

You're correct, the fact that it can cause harm isn't why religion is bad, it's bad because it can cause harm and is also unnecesary. 

That's entirely your opinion, based on your experiences with atheism. I could say the exact same thing about atheism being unnecesary.

You can say the same thing about atheism? So what? My point was that it caused harm when you said it doesn't harm anything. Atheism can be harmful too.

Then what's the difference? If both can be used for wrong, then it doesn't mean one is better than the other. If you want to build some statistical evidence on the lives of atheists and their contribution to society, and if they create harm or help, I will gladly debate you on this, in light of the contributions Christians have made to society for the past 2,000 years.

Right here: "It's not like a belief in God actually hurts anyone, or anything, or is detrimental to ones health."

A belief in God doesn't hurt anyone, nor is detrimental to their health. That doesn't preclude the possibility that it can be used for malevolent purposes. I gave you the example of the Catholic church: Good religion gone wrong. The belief in God did not cause the abuses of the church, but the people in power caused the abuses.

 

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
 

1. You cannot blame god for every whackjob that mutters the name god after they killed 30 people..... you have absolutelly no proof that things would be any different if the "idea" of god was not there.

2. Where are you geting that information from?

3. So you think that the perfect antswer to people who ram religeon down people's throats is to create an ad that does the opposite for your cause for no reason at all?

 

 

 1. Umm, you're right, I can't blame god for every whackjob that murders in the name of their god. But I can say that it influenced them in a negative way.

2. Where do I get my information about sane people thinking prayer works? How about from going to church, and also hearing lots of stupid people tell stories about how they prayed and god answered their prayers.

3. I don't understand the question.

1. Same as last post but second part

2. How is that a bad thing? and how does that hurt the society?

3. That was reagading the original topic of this thread :P

 

1. It influenced them in a negative way because it supported their worldview. There might have been other factors that influenced them, but religion has played a major role with a lot of crazy people doing crazy things.

2. It wastes time, also it makes people less logical, instead of just assuming the correct thing, that they prayed and it came true through cause and effect, they assume they got what they wanted because a magic force called god did it.

3. I think the ad is justified, but it should have something about treating other people right. It makes atheists sounds immoral.

1. Once again lol... u can assume that since u dont know that if religeon dint exist if they would do the same thing.

2. What you said here and the way you worded it makes this no different than dribble from a religious nut... but the direct opposite. The fact that you dont believe in it does not make it not true and you have no rite to bash other peoples beliefs.

3. How is it justified? freedom of free speach blah blah blah yeh i know... but what is the point of it? to convert people away from religion? But what is he gaining from it? The ad is very distructive for no apparant reason..... Im not offended by it in anyway... because i believe that people have a rite to believe in nything they want.... and this is no different from religeous nuts pushing their religion onto others.

 

1. If religion didn't exist there would still be stupid ideas, I don't deny this.

2. Do you deny everything happens through cause and effect? How do i sound like a religious nut? I do not believe in prayer, prayer is useless any way you look at it. If there is a god they already know your hearts desires, you don't need to verbalize them within your mind.

3. The ad is justified because if I have to hear things about god all the time on the internet, on TV, then religious people should have to hear things about atheism one in a while too.



WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009
mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:

Umm, so you do think the ideas of god and religion can cause harm right? That's my point. 

It can cause harm. Just like everything else in life. That doesn't make religion bad.

You're correct, the fact that it can cause harm isn't why religion is bad, it's bad because it can cause harm and is also unnecesary. 

That's entirely your opinion, based on your experiences with atheism. I could say the exact same thing about atheism being unnecesary.

MY experiences with atheism? Like when I went to atheist temple to learn my atheist bible on sunday? Yes, it's my opinion that religion is unnecesary to the real world, if you disagree please tell me why. By the way I agree atheism is unnecesary, agnosticism is the way to go.

You can say the same thing about atheism? So what? My point was that it caused harm when you said it doesn't harm anything. Atheism can be harmful too.

Then what's the difference? If both can be used for wrong, then it doesn't mean one is better than the other. If you want to build some statistical evidence on the lives of atheists and their contribution to society, and if they create harm or help, I will gladly debate you on this, in light of the contributions Christians have made to society for the past 2,000 years. 

The difference is atheism starts on no presumtions, and theism starts on the presumtion that an almighty being exists. Let me ask you, what's worse, and atheist who does bad things because they don't think they'll get in trouble, or a theist that does bad things because they think they're justified by the highest source of authority?

Right here: "It's not like a belief in God actually hurts anyone, or anything, or is detrimental to ones health."

A belief in God doesn't hurt anyone, nor is detrimental to their health. That doesn't preclude the possibility that it can be used for malevolent purposes. I gave you the example of the Catholic church: Good religion gone wrong. The belief in God did not cause the abuses of the church, but the people in power caused the abuses.

A belief in God HAS HURT LITTLE CHILDREN. This has been documented in various news stories. Parents have prayed for their child and not trusted modern medicine because they though god was going to heal their child. Then when the child dies they say it was gods plan. How does god not cause harm in this situation? 

 

 

 

 



antfromtashkent on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
 

1. You cannot blame god for every whackjob that mutters the name god after they killed 30 people..... you have absolutelly no proof that things would be any different if the "idea" of god was not there.

2. Where are you geting that information from?

3. So you think that the perfect antswer to people who ram religeon down people's throats is to create an ad that does the opposite for your cause for no reason at all?

 

 

 1. Umm, you're right, I can't blame god for every whackjob that murders in the name of their god. But I can say that it influenced them in a negative way.

2. Where do I get my information about sane people thinking prayer works? How about from going to church, and also hearing lots of stupid people tell stories about how they prayed and god answered their prayers.

3. I don't understand the question.

1. Same as last post but second part

2. How is that a bad thing? and how does that hurt the society?

3. That was reagading the original topic of this thread :P

 

1. It influenced them in a negative way because it supported their worldview. There might have been other factors that influenced them, but religion has played a major role with a lot of crazy people doing crazy things.

2. It wastes time, also it makes people less logical, instead of just assuming the correct thing, that they prayed and it came true through cause and effect, they assume they got what they wanted because a magic force called god did it.

3. I think the ad is justified, but it should have something about treating other people right. It makes atheists sounds immoral.

1. Once again lol... u can assume that since u dont know that if religeon dint exist if they would do the same thing.

2. What you said here and the way you worded it makes this no different than dribble from a religious nut... but the direct opposite. The fact that you dont believe in it does not make it not true and you have no rite to bash other peoples beliefs.

3. How is it justified? freedom of free speach blah blah blah yeh i know... but what is the point of it? to convert people away from religion? But what is he gaining from it? The ad is very distructive for no apparant reason..... Im not offended by it in anyway... because i believe that people have a rite to believe in nything they want.... and this is no different from religeous nuts pushing their religion onto others.

 

1. If religion didn't exist there would still be stupid ideas, I don't deny this.

2. Do you deny everything happens through cause and effect? How do i sound like a religious nut? I do not believe in prayer, prayer is useless any way you look at it. If there is a god they already know your hearts desires, you don't need to verbalize them within your mind.

3. The ad is justified because if I have to hear things about god all the time on the internet, on TV, then religious people should have to hear things about atheism one in a while too.

1. No longer needs to be discust

2. Once again........... Just because you dont believe it.. it dosent give you the right to bash the beliefs of others.

3. And.....once ...again...... just because religious people want to push religion that fine..... but since you have a problem w/ it do you really want to go down to that lvl and start pushing your beliefs onto others? Religion has been around for thousands of years..... and just because you dont believe in it dont claim that you know better.

 



mrs.nordlead on 07 April 2009

do i like or agree with the add...no. am i offended by it...no. i am secure enough in what i believe and i realize that people who have never experienced a relationship with Jesus Christ, are not going to just understand or accept what i believe. i am a born again/bible believing christian(or what ever label you want to put on it). i think that so many people get hung up on "religion" and what they are going to have to give up and the rituals and regulations that they are going to have to follow....i am so sick of religion and religious people who are so hypocritical and so hung up on religion and rituals that they forget about people. they get up on their pious high horse and condemn people who have never been taught any different, instead of loving them and showing them the grace and freedom that Jesus has to offer. the idea that people who believe in god are not living their life may be very true, and if it is i am very said for those people. but i am free to live my life and do as i please. i am not bound by rules and regulations i am under grace and with that comes freedom. i do what the bible says because of my love for God.

i also get not too happy when people lump everyone who believes in "god/gods" in the same category. i dont believe in just any god, i believe in Jesus Christ, not because it was crammed down my throat or because it was the belief of my family. i believe in God because i have experienced a real, true relationship with him. i dont expect others to fully understand my belief or even accept it. there are many people who claim to believe in god or gods that i wish would keep their mouths shut because of the fact the so many people just assume that everyone who says "i believe in god" are all the same. and i wouldnt trust some of those people as far as i could throw them.

if God is not real and does not exist then i have nothing to loses...if however He is real and does exist(and i am talking about Jesus Christ, not just some random god)then unfortunately some of you would have a lot to lose. i heard someone pose this question once..."do you know everything there is to know" no "do you know half of everything there is to know" no "well lets just say that you know half of everything there is to know, is it possible that God exists in the half that you dont know".....just something to think about

one of my favorite quotes that i think is so true is "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."