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I never claimed Hitler was a good leader. I simply said that, in his mind, he had good intentions for where he thought the country should go.

Really, all my points are in comparison to Stalin, who wanted nothing more than to maintain his own power over the USSR. That's the difference between the two. Both were terribly evil men but one had an ideal above himself. No matter how screwed up it was, he thought of more than just his own power.




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Tyrannical said:
Kasz216 said:

It is true the allied high command did know a lot about the Holocaust and refused to divert bombing missions to help the jews.

 

 What would a bombing mission do? Bomb the camp where the Jews are? Bomb the supplies coming into the camps?

Bomb the train tracks that were shipping jews into the camps.  Duh.

There were dozens of ways the Allies could of shut down those camps sooner.



rocketpig said:
I never claimed Hitler was a good leader. I simply said that, in his mind, he had good intentions for where he thought the country should go.

Really, all my points are in comparison to Stalin, who wanted nothing more than to maintain his own power over the USSR. That's the difference between the two. Both were terribly evil men but one had an ideal above himself. No matter how screwed up it was, he thought of more than just his own power.

 

I agree with that. Sorry for blowing up :)



Carl Panzram, the personification on rage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Panzram

Edit: I just read Panzram's Wikipedia article and it left out such tidbits such as his intentions to skuttle a British warship docked in an American harbor in an attempt to initiate a war.



rocketpig said:
Neither. Stalin wins this contest all day, every day. The guy ended up dying because he killed his own doctors out of paranoia, for crying out loud. You just can't beat that.

Oh, and he also killed like 50 million other people.

The Great Purge only killed at most, an estimated 2 million people. However, more conservative estimates fall in line with the official figure of 681,692 deaths.

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I would have to say Hitler, since they are alot alike, Hilter just killed more following his plans.



bouzane said:
rocketpig said:
Neither. Stalin wins this contest all day, every day. The guy ended up dying because he killed his own doctors out of paranoia, for crying out loud. You just can't beat that.

Oh, and he also killed like 50 million other people.

 

The Great Purge only killed at most, an estimated 2 million people. However, more conservative estimates fall in line with the official figure of 681,692 deaths.

 

Yeah ignoring every other death he caused you might have a point.  Like the 7 million or so in the Ukraine... where he intentionally starved the people.



@Kasz216

I'm not ignoring the Holodomor. The concept that 50 million deaths can be attributed to Stalin is still at best, unrealistic.



bouzane said:
@Kasz216

I'm not ignoring the Holodomor. The concept that 50 million deaths can be attributed to Stalin is still at best, unrealistic.

 

True though his death toll is still well above hitlers.  Something more like 10-20 million is more realistic.



It's a tough call, but I'll say Adolf cause it's safer to hate him more.
but you should include Stalin and Mao.