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vlad321 on 30 March 2009
mesoteto said:
vlad321 said:
To respond to mesoteto's argument as to how we can't be happy thinking that it's over when we die:


"You were dead for thousands of years before you were born." - Einstein (I THINK, not too sure)

So there. How did you feel before you were born?

 

1-that was a joke ment for a ha ha

 

2-and since i didnt feel anything back then i can safely say i wasnt happy

 

You werent happy either, were you?

 



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Final-Fan on 30 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:
tombi123 said:
I don't really see the point in being un-baptised. Will it change your life in any way? I don't think so.

But then what do I know, I've never been baptised in the first place.
I see it this way. If your parents signed you up for a conservative politicl party before you could make decisions but you grew up liberal, would you want to stay part of that conservative party?
Not quite the same. More like if you were 6 months old, your parents put a shirt on you, for a day, that said “I love George Bush”, and 20 years later you need to buy a shirt that say’s you don’t.

It does not make you part of an organization. It was an event, an event that an atheist should think of as pointless. TO de-baptize yourself would be to admit being baptized had meaning.

Why would that want to do that?

No, I think it's more like if you were a baby and your parents enrolled you in the George Bush Fan Club.  Baptism is a ceremony of entrance into the faith, so it's more than just wearing a T-shirt for a day if they continued to raise you Christian.

Having said that, I agree that it sounds pretty dumb.  You quit the fan club, not join a "Not a George Bush Fan" club.



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SciFiBoy on 30 March 2009
Final-Fan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:
tombi123 said:
I don't really see the point in being un-baptised. Will it change your life in any way? I don't think so.

But then what do I know, I've never been baptised in the first place.
I see it this way. If your parents signed you up for a conservative politicl party before you could make decisions but you grew up liberal, would you want to stay part of that conservative party?
Not quite the same. More like if you were 6 months old, your parents put a shirt on you, for a day, that said “I love George Bush”, and 20 years later you need to buy a shirt that say’s you don’t.

It does not make you part of an organization. It was an event, an event that an atheist should think of as pointless. TO de-baptize yourself would be to admit being baptized had meaning.

Why would that want to do that?

No, I think it's more like if you were a baby and your parents enrolled you in the George Bush Fan Club.  Baptism is a ceremony of entrance into the faith, so it's more than just wearing a T-shirt for a day if they continued to raise you Christian.

Having said that, I agree that it sounds pretty dumb.  You quit the fan club, not join a "Not a George Bush Fan" club.

the problem is, is that they dont let you "quit" religion, i read a newspaper article about how when people ask to be removed from the register/file the church pot them on when they were baptised, they refused to let them.

 



mesoteto on 30 March 2009

This is something that is hard to explain and will be forever a matter of faith, before I was formed I didn’t exist as nothing more then an idea in gods head, only when he shaped my flesh and gave me life did I begin to exist and b/c of the trials and tribulations of my life I have formed complex emotions and behaviors, and when this hunk of flesh can no longer carry on and wears out the part of my mind that makes me, well me, will continue on another plane of existence and depends how I have chosen my life and if I have kept my faith it will either be a world of love and understanding or a self built hell where I force myself to live out my worst moment as a form of self torture over the guilt I feel for a wasted life

That is the gift he gave us

but like I said, since you didn’t feel happy then, why would you feel happy after?



 

mesoteto on 30 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Final-Fan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:
tombi123 said:
I don't really see the point in being un-baptised. Will it change your life in any way? I don't think so.

But then what do I know, I've never been baptised in the first place.
I see it this way. If your parents signed you up for a conservative politicl party before you could make decisions but you grew up liberal, would you want to stay part of that conservative party?
Not quite the same. More like if you were 6 months old, your parents put a shirt on you, for a day, that said “I love George Bush”, and 20 years later you need to buy a shirt that say’s you don’t.

It does not make you part of an organization. It was an event, an event that an atheist should think of as pointless. TO de-baptize yourself would be to admit being baptized had meaning.

Why would that want to do that?

No, I think it's more like if you were a baby and your parents enrolled you in the George Bush Fan Club.  Baptism is a ceremony of entrance into the faith, so it's more than just wearing a T-shirt for a day if they continued to raise you Christian.

Having said that, I agree that it sounds pretty dumb.  You quit the fan club, not join a "Not a George Bush Fan" club.

the problem is, is that they dont let you "quit" religion, i read a newspaper article about how when people ask to be removed from the register/file the church pot them on when they were baptised, they refused to let them.

 

 

there is a big differnce b/t faith and religion and religion and church

 

alot of people group them togther but they are not ever the same



 

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SciFiBoy on 30 March 2009
mesoteto said:
SciFiBoy said:

the problem is, is that they dont let you "quit" religion, i read a newspaper article about how when people ask to be removed from the register/file the church pot them on when they were baptised, they refused to let them.

 

 

there is a big differnce b/t faith and religion and religion and church

 

alot of people group them togther but they are not ever the same

 

ok, sorry then, they wont let people "quit" the church



mesoteto on 30 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
mesoteto said:
SciFiBoy said:

the problem is, is that they dont let you "quit" religion, i read a newspaper article about how when people ask to be removed from the register/file the church pot them on when they were baptised, they refused to let them.

 

 

there is a big differnce b/t faith and religion and religion and church

 

alot of people group them togther but they are not ever the same

 

ok, sorry then, they wont let people "quit" the church

yeah its things liek that that really hurt the christian image

 

we try and preach love and forgivness..but you know the old sayin about a few bad apples/.......

 



 

Kasz216 on 30 March 2009

Debaptism....

thats... really stupid.


Your going through the trouble of annuling a contract with someone who you don't beleive exists.

How does that make sense?



vlad321 on 30 March 2009
Kasz216 said:

Debaptism....

thats... really stupid.


Your going through the trouble of annuling a contract with someone who you don't beleive exists.

How does that make sense?

 

So that the church doesn't go "we have ________ number of people baptized, therefore they are religious." When that happens the other guys say, "yeah well, we have ____________ number of people who de-batized."



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TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Final-Fan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:
tombi123 said:
I don't really see the point in being un-baptised. Will it change your life in any way? I don't think so.

But then what do I know, I've never been baptised in the first place.
I see it this way. If your parents signed you up for a conservative politicl party before you could make decisions but you grew up liberal, would you want to stay part of that conservative party?
Not quite the same. More like if you were 6 months old, your parents put a shirt on you, for a day, that said “I love George Bush”, and 20 years later you need to buy a shirt that say’s you don’t.

It does not make you part of an organization. It was an event, an event that an atheist should think of as pointless. TO de-baptize yourself would be to admit being baptized had meaning.

Why would that want to do that?

No, I think it's more like if you were a baby and your parents enrolled you in the George Bush Fan Club.  Baptism is a ceremony of entrance into the faith, so it's more than just wearing a T-shirt for a day if they continued to raise you Christian.

Having said that, I agree that it sounds pretty dumb.  You quit the fan club, not join a "Not a George Bush Fan" club.

the problem is, is that they dont let you "quit" religion, i read a newspaper article about how when people ask to be removed from the register/file the church pot them on when they were baptised, they refused to let them.

 

They do in the USA. Glad you found something about socialism you don't like.