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mesoteto on 30 March 2009
Louie said:
@ Mesoteto: Again, don't generalize things please. No atheist would tell his children to rape, abuse drugs or live on welfare. We're people with moral and values just like christians are.

I think you two are somewhat into this discussion now. As long as you respect each other's views and express yourself in a polite and respectful way there's nothing against a discussion. But please don't take it too seriously otherwise I'll have to lock the thread or give you guys a warning.

 

i didnt mean rape a person, i ment teh land b/c he seems to imply that the only way for her to have self worth is to not share her identy with her mother and i, and the only way to do that is to be the oppsite of her mother and i



 

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ssj12 on 30 March 2009
mesoteto said:
i am for baptism, he is a part of my life and by that sign i am committing my child to him and myself to raise her in the environment of my beliefs

that's your job as a parent , to raise your child as best you see fit, and that mean s not being a friend but a parent

 

A parent should be both a parent and a friend.



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mesoteto on 30 March 2009
ssj12 said:
mesoteto said:
i am for baptism, he is a part of my life and by that sign i am committing my child to him and myself to raise her in the environment of my beliefs

that's your job as a parent , to raise your child as best you see fit, and that mean s not being a friend but a parent

 

A parent should be both a parent and a friend.

 

i dont know, some times agree but other times i dont, b/c sometime you see the friend part way more in teh equation then teh parent part

 

i see it as parent first, friend second

 



 

SciFiBoy on 30 March 2009
mesoteto said:
SciFiBoy said:
mesoteto said:
ehh your welcome to your opinion and i respect that fact, its your life to live, but in the end i will continue to do what is best for my child

 

most religions say that some form(s) of discrimination are ok, is that really the best way to raise a child?

 

@scifi---that’s a common misconception about Christians, one we also don’t help by having stupid people get really vocal about the hate they try to spew hidden behind twisted passages

 

But Jesus Christ set what the standard should be for the Christian faith, he often healed those society deemed un pure, or as second class, even going so far as to heal and teach those of different faiths and no faiths

 

However most of that is overlooked for the older teachings that really shouldn’t be practiced anymore

 

 

my point is that religion whilst it may have some good teachings has bad ones as well, im glad you wont be teaching her that women and gay people are inferior



mesoteto on 30 March 2009

well i dont know about the gay people...OHH YEAH...jk



 

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SciFiBoy on 30 March 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Well, of course atheism is on the rise, that's what happens as a nation becomes more secular.

Faith Schools
Bishops in house of lords
State Relgion
Monarch (head of state religion)
Delay in Gay Adoption laws soley for religous people
Christian women won court case to refuse to allow gay people the right to adopt


Secular?

why do you think i use the NSS website and support many of there campaigns?

 



SciFiBoy on 30 March 2009
mesoteto said:
ssj12 said:
mesoteto said:
i am for baptism, he is a part of my life and by that sign i am committing my child to him and myself to raise her in the environment of my beliefs

that's your job as a parent , to raise your child as best you see fit, and that mean s not being a friend but a parent

 

A parent should be both a parent and a friend.

 

i dont know, some times agree but other times i dont, b/c sometime you see the friend part way more in teh equation then teh parent part

 

i see it as parent first, friend second

personally, if i ever have children, i would want to be there friend and parent in equal measure

 



mesoteto on 30 March 2009

^see that what my dad tried at first (him and my mom divorced early in my life) and then she married my Step dad who is more like a dad to me, but any ways

he tried to be a dad and a friend and b/c of that we could walk all over him b/c he didn't want to lose us as friends, and now i have almost no contact with him b/c he washed out in my opinion (big into drugs and such)


if i am more concerned about being a friend to my daughter i no longer have to hold my self to a higher standard b/c friends can make mistakes---as a parent you only get one shot and have to hope you take the right one


the ideal place for me is the love and respect of a parent while earning the trust of friend ship



 

TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
highwaystar101 said:
tombi123 said:
I don't really see the point in being un-baptised. Will it change your life in any way? I don't think so.

But then what do I know, I've never been baptised in the first place.

 

I see it this way. If your parents signed you up for a conservative politicl party before you could make decisions but you grew up liberal, would you want to stay part of that conservative party?

 

Not quite the same. More like if you were 6 months old, your parents put a shirt on you, for a day, that said “I love George Bush”, and 20 years later you need to buy a shirt that say’s you don’t.

It does not make you part of an organization. It was an event, an event that an atheist should think of as pointless. TO de-baptize yourself would be to admit being baptized had meaning.

Why would that want to do that?



TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:

personally, if i ever have children, i would want to be there friend and parent in equal measure

 

 

Your kids will have lots of friends, but only one dad. Put more effort in the dad part.