You know, if this game renders 1080p most of the time, and 60fps some of the time and 30fps the rest it will be outperforming almost all other major AAA titles on PS3/360.

Most big titles are actually full of 'tricks' compromises to balance making them look really good with the very real limitations of either consoles' power.

CoD4, Halo, etc. etc. all render well below 1080p native and rely on upscaling and other such devices to look the way they do on the screen.

This gen a lot of games have been driven by a desire to get close to the look of high end PC games, particularly driven by the huge swing (particularly in US) to playing titles that would absolutely have been PC only during the PS2/Gamecube era.

However neither console, so far, can produce such visuals at the mythical 1080p native for such titles.

Other titles have been 1080p or very close, such as Wipeout, which is 'mostly' 1080p with the odd bit of trickery here and there.

Personally if GoW3 manages a variable 60fs / 30 fps and it's well managed, then I'll be happy. Given how good games like CoD4 can look at their resolution I'm happy GoW3 will look fantastic.

OT I'm not sure about the 'zipper' feature revealed recently - I prefer my insides on the inside really.

I believe you missed the part where I said that I can still enjoy games even if there are apparent framedrops. It just saddens me to see this happening still in 2009 with new and more powerful hardware. There is a limit though, and like I said, if there are just a few dips every 30-60 minutes of gameplay, I won't mind, but if they don't fix the whole ogre thing when the game releases, I'll be damn sad! o_O

And at the bolded... yes? I know it is. You think I'd prefer Dreamcast graphics or something? I'm happy with what we're getting, I just wished it could be more.

Also, yes, I put Frames Per Second on a pedestal. Having played a ton of PC games, I did whatever I could to lower the graphics at a good enough level to at least keep my framerate constant in any games I've played. The second I see drops in a certain part, I change my settings again for that certain part and then put them back as they were before entering it (Crysis for example, the snow area). I can't stand playing laggy games where there are framedrops every minute, especially if my controls have input lag because of it.

What most people don't realize, is that a constant 30 fps plays a lot smoother than 60 fps with drops to 45 fps. I hope the developeres realize this though, and lock the game at 30 fps.

Yeah, I was talking "in general." ;)

I see your Wipeout HD with Gran Turismo 5 Prologue at 1080p native @ 60fps.

How many of you understand the real difference between 30 fps and 60 fps?

60 fps is 16.67ms of processing time per frame.
30 fps is 33.33ms of processing time per frame.

Which one do you think will look higher quality, given the same engine technology? The one with 2x the framerate of a TV, or the one that uses 2x the horsepower to render an individual frame, and the same framerate as TV?

30fps means the game is doing a lot of cool stuff, or the engine was written poorly.  Given SCE's studios general quality level, I would say its the former, and not the latter.  Most people who think they can see the difference between "30 fps" and "60 fps" are actually noting the difference between "20 fps" and "30 fps" -- because, yes, accurately telling the difference between 30 and 60 is usually something only trained professionals can do without an on-screen counter, no matter how awesome you think your eyes are, relative to the rest of the human race.

A heck of a lot of games run at 20 fps, and people don't whine about it, although 30 fps is a clearly notable boost over 20.  60 fps is a minor benefit usually only afforded to games that are simplistic, in terms of rendering, like racers and space games, or PSN/XBLA grade titles.

Off the top of my head, the only games I can even think of, that run at 60 fps this gen, are some racers and little downloadable titles, which is exactly what I would suspect.  Anything else that runs at 60 is going to be called "last gen" by the reviewers, for its low-grade graphics.

That sucks,tho im sure the game will be awesome.

Uh...I was judging the video, and the dips were very noticable. I'm not saying the final product will be like this, or at least I hope not. It looks very annoying. Give me something like MGS4 where it from 30 to 60 fps and vice versa without being noticable or annoying.

@Procrastinato. I must have Kal-El eyes, cause I sure can notice the difference, in any game. Always have been able to. Did you ever play RallySport Challenge 2 on the X-Box. The game ran at 60 fps while playing, but the replays of races dropped to about 30fps. Some my of friends could see it too, some couldn't. It blew my mind that some people couldn't see it.

MGS4 didn't run at 60 fps. It never did.