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SciFiBoy on 24 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah.  There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse.  Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

its called equality

 

Equality is letting people be self destructive and being forced to pay the consequences when they make poor choices?

So that i can screw up my life however badly I want and you have to pick up the dime for me?

That doesn't sound like equality.

It sounds like exploiting of the people who give a damn by people who don't.

you do know some people overeat due to mental problems? like depression? under your system they would die, so you would be indirectly responsible for there deaths, healthcare is a right of all humans, to deny it of anyone for any reason is allways wrong

How would they die?  They wouldn't they would instead have to go to government rehabilitation to take care of their problems.  If they're depressed be put on medication etc.

Obesity is a disease... a volentary disease but a disease none the less.   People who have it should be diagnosed and treated.

THey should not be allowed to get fat and force everyone else to pay for their own very fixable disability.

If they refuse to have it cured.  Why should the state bear the responsibility of people choosing to have health problems.

People who are overweight will be given the means and power to lose it.... and only those diagnosed with gentics should be given money for a disability which is treatable. 

I mean it would be like saying someone who chooses to be blind deserves handouts.

the average income in the UK is £22,000 a year, on that salary most people cant afford to pay for private healthcare.

 



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Jo21 on 24 March 2009

STOP Putting things in your mouth people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11.

>_



Kasz216 on 24 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.



mmnin on 24 March 2009

I ate lunch TWICE today. I'm so ashamed.




SciFiBoy on 24 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.

yes, we are all human, everyone deserves healthcare

 



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Kasz216 on 24 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.

yes, we are all human, everyone deserves healthcare

 

They are getting healthcare.  Treatment for obesity.

If someone can be cured of their blindness but claim poverty and that they can't work because they're blind... then get hit by a car or something... it seems ludicrious that other peopel should have to pay for that.



Thatmax on 24 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.

Kasz you seem to be assuming that people in the UK that are unhealthy/reckless are that way as they can get healed for free. Its by no means that simple, the amount of pain and worry that goes on before and after an operation can be psycologicaly damaging.

People don't look at a bag of doughnuts and think "it doesnt matter if I get heart disease cos I can simply go to the NHS for help"

Plus there is a higher level of obesity in the US where the health care is not run this way.

 



SciFiBoy on 24 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.

yes, we are all human, everyone deserves healthcare

 

They are getting healthcare.  Treatment for obesity.

If someone can be cured of their blindness but claim poverty and that they can't work because they're blind... then get hit by a car or something... it seems ludicrious that other peopel should have to pay for that.


thats not healthcare, you dont force care on people, you offer it to thoose who want it
wtf is wrong with you? youre saying a blind person who cant get treatment deserves to die?

 



Kasz216 on 24 March 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.

yes, we are all human, everyone deserves healthcare

 

They are getting healthcare.  Treatment for obesity.

If someone can be cured of their blindness but claim poverty and that they can't work because they're blind... then get hit by a car or something... it seems ludicrious that other peopel should have to pay for that.


thats not healthcare, you dont force care on people, you offer it to thoose who want it
wtf is wrong with you? youre saying a blind person who cant get treatment deserves to die?

 

No.  I'm saying a blind person who can get treatment to cure his blindness should have to if he wants to keep receiving handouts for not being able to work.

Hell given the option i'd take 30,000 a year to not do anything rather then less then that to actually work.

I know people who live off 18,000 a year and have to pay for everything themselves while taking care of two kids.



SciFiBoy on 24 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Thatmax said:
Kasz216 said:
Well that is one of the larger problems the UK and first world countries with socialized healthcare are dealing with as well.

Think how much more their healthcare will cost.

 

So free healthcare is one of the bigger problems in the UK???

The way it's run yeah. There is no benefit to living a healthy life.

It's a major problem with US healthcare too but that's managed by offering either rewards or penalties to people for how they live their livse. Such a thing would be unthinkable in the UK.

 

The UK works around this with a tightly knit community programme, something I imagine you don't get with commercial hospitals. They have obligations to be active within the community set by the government, kind of like the BBC have obligations to satisfy certain audiences. They offer free sex ed and other medical education services for young people and schools, free mother and baby clinics and so on and so forth. It's a good system.

 

None of that addresses the Obesity problem.  Which is a huge problem.  Some UK doctors have suggested not offering the same services to the obese because of the huge deficit their care causes.  They were of course shot down.

 

im glad they were shot down, who are you to judge who does and does not deserve healthcare? its a basic HUMAN right, since when did obese people stop being human?

Stop being human never. 

We're talking about people who intentionally cause healthcare problems.

So it's your opinion that anyone can mistreat their bodies and should still get treated the same as everyone else?

That people should be abel to be as irresponsible as they want and get paid for it?

That anyone who wants to can get really fat and get paid for it along with getting treatment for their own bad and explotive choice?

 

 

perhaps we should stop treating anyone who goes outside aswell, they choose to do so, knowing full well that going outside carries countless risks, you can get hit by a car, catch all sorts of illnesses

what people do with there bodys is there choice, i think we should have a more progressive education system that tells them all the risks but if they still make mistakes, they still deserve there basic rights.

So in otherwords.  If i constantly make my self sick on purpose it's your opinion the government should have to cure me.

If i have diseases that could be cured but don't want to the government should have to let me keep my disesase and deal with all the costly and negative effects.

yes, we are all human, everyone deserves healthcare

 

They are getting healthcare.  Treatment for obesity.

If someone can be cured of their blindness but claim poverty and that they can't work because they're blind... then get hit by a car or something... it seems ludicrious that other peopel should have to pay for that.


thats not healthcare, you dont force care on people, you offer it to thoose who want it
wtf is wrong with you? youre saying a blind person who cant get treatment deserves to die?

 

No.  I'm saying a blind person who can get treatment to cure his blindness should have to if he wants to keep receiving handouts for not being able to work.

 

ok, can you give me an example of a blind person who has been offered a free cure and turned it down?

im not saying that overweight people shouldnt work at all, if they can work, they should try to find work, no argument there, i really dont see what that has to do with healthcare though? if they refuse to work when overweight and getting healthcare, why would they be more motivated to work knowing they cant afford healthcare even with a job?