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Bitmap Frogs on 23 March 2009
DMeisterJ said:
seece said:
I'm sure they're happy rolling in the bank notes Microsoft supplied them.

Yep, exactly what I said.  Wada doesn't give two shits about the games tanking.  MS paid good money for these games, and it was their loss.

SE lost lots of brand loyalty though.  The SE name doesn't have the same pull it did years ago.  And now devs are scrambling to make PS3 and Wii games because 360 development has proven so futile.

 

 

Wouldn't you be the famous expert about honor and shame in Japanese culture, would you? XD

SE loss of brand loyalty has more to do with crappier games than platform choices. Remember not only for SE but for most jrpg devs/publishers their platforms of choice have been (and for quite some time already) both handhelds. Because that's where the japanese play their rpg's.





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DMeisterJ on 23 March 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
DMeisterJ said:
seece said:
I'm sure they're happy rolling in the bank notes Microsoft supplied them.

Yep, exactly what I said.  Wada doesn't give two shits about the games tanking.  MS paid good money for these games, and it was their loss.

SE lost lots of brand loyalty though.  The SE name doesn't have the same pull it did years ago.  And now devs are scrambling to make PS3 and Wii games because 360 development has proven so futile.

 

Wouldn't you be the famous expert about honor and shame in Japanese culture, would you? XD

SE loss of brand loyalty has more to do with crappier games than platform choices. Remember not only for SE but for most jrpg devs/publishers their platforms of choice have been (and for quite some time already) both handhelds. Because that's where the japanese play their rpg's.

lol.

But that's what I meant.  SE has put out crap games for a long time, and the recent string of bad games, exclusive no less, to a platformt that doesn't sell good in Japan lowers the amount of people that can just go and buy a game because it has SE on the box, because the put the needs of 1 million over the needs of 3 or 8 million.



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Bitmap Frogs on 23 March 2009
DMeisterJ said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Wouldn't you be the famous expert about honor and shame in Japanese culture, would you? XD

SE loss of brand loyalty has more to do with crappier games than platform choices. Remember not only for SE but for most jrpg devs/publishers their platforms of choice have been (and for quite some time already) both handhelds. Because that's where the japanese play their rpg's.

lol.

But that's what I meant.  SE has put out crap games for a long time, and the recent string of bad games, exclusive no less, to a platformt that doesn't sell good in Japan lowers the amount of people that can just go and buy a game because it has SE on the box, because the put the needs of 1 million over the needs of 3 or 8 million.

 

That's so, so, so lulzy I'm quoting it so you can't edit it out.

The fact you believe publisher decisions should be based on the "greater good" is both ludicrous and removed from reality, or that they do indeed take into consideration the needs of collectives...  gosh.





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DMeisterJ on 23 March 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
DMeisterJ said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Wouldn't you be the famous expert about honor and shame in Japanese culture, would you? XD

SE loss of brand loyalty has more to do with crappier games than platform choices. Remember not only for SE but for most jrpg devs/publishers their platforms of choice have been (and for quite some time already) both handhelds. Because that's where the japanese play their rpg's.

lol.

But that's what I meant.  SE has put out crap games for a long time, and the recent string of bad games, exclusive no less, to a platformt that doesn't sell good in Japan lowers the amount of people that can just go and buy a game because it has SE on the box, because the put the needs of 1 million over the needs of 3 or 8 million.

That's so, so, so lulzy I'm quoting it so you can't edit it out.

The fact you believe publisher decisions should be based on the "greater good" is both ludicrous and removed from reality, or that they do indeed take into consideration the needs of collectives...  gosh.

Where did I say that publisher decisions should be based on the greater good?  I definitely didn't say that anywhere, so drop the quotes.

I said that putting a game on a platform with the lowest install base in the country where the game will sell the most makes absolutely no sense because less people can go and buy a game.



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Kasz216 on 23 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
Baki said:
Tyrannical said:
Dear PS3 owners; You’ve made your bed, now lie in it. (HONEST article)

Well, I can see how you'd think it would be a smart investment to buy a PS3 to play jrpgs with. Given the long track record of the PS1&2 it only makes sense this would continue.

Just like with my 401k, I made wrong choices that seemed like a good idea at the time. Just as the value of my investments fell, so did the value of the PS3 as a jrpg platform. You made a bad investment, it's time to move on.

 

I noticed that your gamertag is UKresistance. Isn't that the name of that website which periodically releases article berating the PS3?

@Everyone Else:

I have noticed a lot of users commenting that the Wii is ignored. Admittedly it is, this is because

A) This article was more of a response to SE statement from a few days ago.

B) The Wii is a bit of an unknown quantity, from what I've seen the JRPG's enjoy similar sales to PS3 JRPG's although it has a much larger userbase. However for other types of games it enjoys far larger sales.

That said, I haven't exactly scoured the internet in search of Wii JRPG sales in Japan so I may be wrong.

C) This article is about what could've happened, had developers supported the PS3 from the get go. There is no denying that the userbase of the PS3 would've been far more more substantial in Japan and consequently sales of games would've been far greater. Now the question is, can JRPG's on the Wii have more sales than that on the PS3? To that I would say maybe, although I would lean to it being slightly greater because of the much larger userbase. Now the problem is, what demographic exists on the Wii. We do know the Wii has a large amount of new gamers, and this is the problem with the Wii. Developers don't know what to make for it? Do they make traditional games? Or attempt to copy games like Wii-Fit etc.. There is no denying that there is a large amount of untapped potential there.

However if the developers had supported the PS3 from the beginning, they would have a platform with a comparable (maybe not larger, possibly even 2M less than the Wii right now) userbase to the Wii. That would've been a great platform to release their JRPG's on because they know that demographic is the same as the one that existed on the PS2/1. They would know their users.

Thats the general gist of the article.

Well for a comparison... the best selling JRPG in Japan on the Wii is...

Dragon Quest Swords.  A half done port that got horrible reveiws.

The best selling RPG On the PS3 in japan is White Knight Chronicles.  A highly publicized, super hyped game that was expensive game with average reviews.


Dragon Quest Swords outsold it by nearly 200K in Japan.

I think that's pretty telling.

Had the Japanese supported the PS3 from the beggining the PS3 wouldn't of gotten much boost at all.  This is obvious due to the complete non boost the 360 really has seen.

The 360 alone had great JRPGS for so long yet nobody bought it... why?

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese?



The Anarchyz on 23 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
Baki said:
Tyrannical said:
Dear PS3 owners; You’ve made your bed, now lie in it. (HONEST article)

Well, I can see how you'd think it would be a smart investment to buy a PS3 to play jrpgs with. Given the long track record of the PS1&2 it only makes sense this would continue.

Just like with my 401k, I made wrong choices that seemed like a good idea at the time. Just as the value of my investments fell, so did the value of the PS3 as a jrpg platform. You made a bad investment, it's time to move on.

 

I noticed that your gamertag is UKresistance. Isn't that the name of that website which periodically releases article berating the PS3?

@Everyone Else:

I have noticed a lot of users commenting that the Wii is ignored. Admittedly it is, this is because

A) This article was more of a response to SE statement from a few days ago.

B) The Wii is a bit of an unknown quantity, from what I've seen the JRPG's enjoy similar sales to PS3 JRPG's although it has a much larger userbase. However for other types of games it enjoys far larger sales.

That said, I haven't exactly scoured the internet in search of Wii JRPG sales in Japan so I may be wrong.

C) This article is about what could've happened, had developers supported the PS3 from the get go. There is no denying that the userbase of the PS3 would've been far more more substantial in Japan and consequently sales of games would've been far greater. Now the question is, can JRPG's on the Wii have more sales than that on the PS3? To that I would say maybe, although I would lean to it being slightly greater because of the much larger userbase. Now the problem is, what demographic exists on the Wii. We do know the Wii has a large amount of new gamers, and this is the problem with the Wii. Developers don't know what to make for it? Do they make traditional games? Or attempt to copy games like Wii-Fit etc.. There is no denying that there is a large amount of untapped potential there.

However if the developers had supported the PS3 from the beginning, they would have a platform with a comparable (maybe not larger, possibly even 2M less than the Wii right now) userbase to the Wii. That would've been a great platform to release their JRPG's on because they know that demographic is the same as the one that existed on the PS2/1. They would know their users.

Thats the general gist of the article.

Well for a comparison... the best selling JRPG in Japan on the Wii is...

Dragon Quest Swords.  A half done port that got horrible reveiws.

The best selling RPG On the PS3 in japan is White Knight Chronicles.  A highly publicized, super hyped game that was expensive game with average reviews.


Dragon Quest Swords outsold it by nearly 200K in Japan.

I think that's pretty telling.

Had the Japanese supported the PS3 from the beggining the PS3 wouldn't of gotten much boost at all.  This is obvious due to the complete non boost the 360 really has seen.

The 360 alone had great JRPGS for so long yet nobody bought it... why?

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...



Bitmap Frogs on 23 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

 

Durrr Durr.

iPods compete against japanese made pmp's.

Nokia cellphones compete against japanese made cellphones.

Dell computers compete against japanese made computers.

Gosh, do you really believe what you say? Do you really think the consumer at large gives a crap about corporations competing against each other?





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shinyuhadouken on 23 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
The Anarchyz said:
Kasz216 said:
Baki said:
Tyrannical said:
Dear PS3 owners; You’ve made your bed, now lie in it. (HONEST article)

Well, I can see how you'd think it would be a smart investment to buy a PS3 to play jrpgs with. Given the long track record of the PS1&2 it only makes sense this would continue.

Just like with my 401k, I made wrong choices that seemed like a good idea at the time. Just as the value of my investments fell, so did the value of the PS3 as a jrpg platform. You made a bad investment, it's time to move on.

 

I noticed that your gamertag is UKresistance. Isn't that the name of that website which periodically releases article berating the PS3?

@Everyone Else:

I have noticed a lot of users commenting that the Wii is ignored. Admittedly it is, this is because

A) This article was more of a response to SE statement from a few days ago.

B) The Wii is a bit of an unknown quantity, from what I've seen the JRPG's enjoy similar sales to PS3 JRPG's although it has a much larger userbase. However for other types of games it enjoys far larger sales.

That said, I haven't exactly scoured the internet in search of Wii JRPG sales in Japan so I may be wrong.

C) This article is about what could've happened, had developers supported the PS3 from the get go. There is no denying that the userbase of the PS3 would've been far more more substantial in Japan and consequently sales of games would've been far greater. Now the question is, can JRPG's on the Wii have more sales than that on the PS3? To that I would say maybe, although I would lean to it being slightly greater because of the much larger userbase. Now the problem is, what demographic exists on the Wii. We do know the Wii has a large amount of new gamers, and this is the problem with the Wii. Developers don't know what to make for it? Do they make traditional games? Or attempt to copy games like Wii-Fit etc.. There is no denying that there is a large amount of untapped potential there.

However if the developers had supported the PS3 from the beginning, they would have a platform with a comparable (maybe not larger, possibly even 2M less than the Wii right now) userbase to the Wii. That would've been a great platform to release their JRPG's on because they know that demographic is the same as the one that existed on the PS2/1. They would know their users.

Thats the general gist of the article.

Well for a comparison... the best selling JRPG in Japan on the Wii is...

Dragon Quest Swords.  A half done port that got horrible reveiws.

The best selling RPG On the PS3 in japan is White Knight Chronicles.  A highly publicized, super hyped game that was expensive game with average reviews.


Dragon Quest Swords outsold it by nearly 200K in Japan.

I think that's pretty telling.

Had the Japanese supported the PS3 from the beggining the PS3 wouldn't of gotten much boost at all.  This is obvious due to the complete non boost the 360 really has seen.

The 360 alone had great JRPGS for so long yet nobody bought it... why?

Japan doesn't accept the 360 because it's American, PS3 is not selling like it should because PS3 focused a lot on Western-oriented games and abandoned J-oriented games for too long (of course MS had something to do with it but it's Sony's fault too), and let's remember that the Japanese flagship Playstation titles are not out yet (Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5), never in the history of Playstation those titles took so long in being released... And of course, the main element of all: THE PRICE...


So it's your opinion that Japan is filled with Xenophobes?

They won't buy a system with what you presume they want simply because the manufactuerer isn't Japanese

 

We already discussed the Xbox brand issue in Japan in a lot of topics, it's not that they're xenophobes, if they were the iPod touch, Nokia cellphones, Dell computers, Windows and another brands wouldn't survived there... The thing is, Microsoft is doing direct competition to Sony with the Xbox brand, i mean, the whole reason they entered in the console business is because they were afraid that the Playstation took the living room and became a threat to MS... So we have two brands, the Playstation brand and the Xbox brand, the American one is trying to take the Japanese one down, who do you think the Japanese will have more loyalty???...

You don't see Americans buying more 360s than Wiis or ps2s last-gen. Why don't we boycott Japanese stuff? ahh...this makes me a little mad.

 



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HanzoTheRazor on 23 March 2009

A very true artical that hits at the sad truth. I think, tho that the Jap devs have started to learn. Also to note, the PS3 is in full development now and is easier to develop for and continually getting simpler every day. So, we will see more same timed releases and more exclusives from now on with Jrpg's. It really only is so, cause of M$'s 1 year head start to, how can I put it... Rock The Boat!



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