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Senlis on 21 March 2009
Kos-mos said:
So people here thinks Blu-Ray will be better in the future? How can something be better if it`s not changed physical? Price doesn`t make anything better. Price changes the price.
It`s just extremely bad journalism from ign writing that dvd is better than blu-ray. The article should have said:
"If yer short on cash, dvd can be bought cheaper than blu-ray even if blu-ray have BETTER quality in sound and picture, but still if yer short on rupees, you can and may still buy dvd."
Then it would make some more sense.
Thank ye

The product itself cannot have higher quality because the price drops, true.  The Blu-Ray system may become a better choice as price drops.  Difference between the two.

 




 

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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 21 March 2009

Amazon.com had some BDs for around $10.  I don't know if the sale is still going or not, though.  I couldn't take advantage, because I've LONG had those titles.



averyblund on 21 March 2009
Kos-mos said:
So people here thinks Blu-Ray will be better in the future?

Yes. As players and content becomes cheaper the value proposition for BR will go up.

 

Kos-mos said:
How can something be better if it`s not changed physical? Price doesn`t make anything better. Price changes the price.

I don't get how you can't seem to understand this. A $4000 dollar PC is faster than a $500 one, but is that better for the grandma who only checks her email once a week and otherwise never uses it? No, the cheaper PC is clearly "better" for her.

To act like price is not relevant is beyond bizarre.

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averyblund on 21 March 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
averyblund said:
Bringing up MP3 is an interesting argument. It made me realize that for the first time in history people are actually listening to inferior quality music vs the previous decade. More and more people are ditching higher rez CDs for the convenience of being able to carry thousands of songs with them at any time. For me the same is true of SD video- its all just stored on my hard drive. I think with the every increasing size of hard drives and better encoders the same thing is likely to happen to BR.

I think things like Netflix Online and iTunes are the future because they are cheap, HD, and far more convenient.

What happens WHEN that hard drive fails?  Then you have to either re-buy that DLC or re-download ALL OF IT.  That would mean you would need to have a back-up of the back-up and hope THAT back-up doesn't fail.

OR, you could just have the optical media that's scratch resistant and call it a day (or rip it to plenty of hard drives).

 

If I buy something and it gets broken I have no qualms about getting it off one of the various torrent sites. Plus like I said a while back, a Blu-Ray burner for PC would make a nice backup solution. 8-12 movies per disc would be quite nice.

 



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Shanobi on 21 March 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
sinha said:

I buy more movies than anyone I know, and I have around 350 DVDs and only 4 Blu-rays.
The main problem is I can only play Blu-rays on my PS3, whereas I can watch DVDs on any of the 10 DVD players around my house, and with friends and relatives, none of whom have PS3s.

If Blu-ray is going to become the next standard, the price of Blu-ray players needs to reach the $100 range before digital downloads catch on. It will be interesting to see who wins that race.   Personally, I doubt that will happen, so I think some form of digital downloads will be the next standard.  Blu-rays will still exist even if that happens, but then so did LaserDisc, Betamax, UMD, etc.

It was the same with DVD.  These are the same things brought up with EVERY major packaged movie successor (just check the links I provided, earlier in this thread, to VHS vs. DVD websites).

BTW, UMD is not a movie standard meant to  take over DVD or anything.  It's just the type of disc that PSP games and movies use.  In other words, UMD is NOT a movie standard...period.  Also, Laserdiscs and Betamax doesn't exist.  UMD will exist as long as the PSP does (movies are still put on UMD).

 

 

Laser disc production didn't stop until this year, 2009. The first Laserdisc came out in 1979, I think.

 

And I do believe that Sony wanted UMD to become the new portable standard for movies and media. They tried to use the PSP as the trojan horse for the medium, just as they've tried to do with the PS3 and blu-ray. Don't kid yourself. It just failed, much like their superior Betamax got wiped out by VHS.

 



 

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Final-Fan on 21 March 2009

But the thing about UMD is ... it sucks. So that's a different situation. Also I don't believe they "forced" UMD onto the PSP the way Blu-ray was forced onto PS3 even thought the technology wasn't quite ready (super expensive, low production), so unless I'm mistaken it's actually very different.  

But your basic point, that Sony wanted UMD to take off beyond just the PSP, is true. 



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Megadude on 21 March 2009

Lol "DVD is BETTER THEN BLURAys I WANT HDDVD BaCK PLEASE ZINC COME BACK SO I CAN STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THE DVD IS BETTER THEN BLURAY WHICH IS LIKE SAYING CD's ARE BETTER THEN DVD's WAAAHHHH"



Khuutra on 21 March 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Khuutra said:

DVD wasn't the first potential successor to VHS. Remember? LaserDisc was. It was supported by videophils too. It still crashed and burned.

Betamax was the choice of video and audiophiles for its superior sound and image quality. VHS curb-stomped it anyway because Joe Average decided it was easier to deal with VHS' tracking and non-tape-eating playerrs.

DVD Audio was the choice of audiophiles as the successor to the CD. Never got off the ground because right when it got to the point where it could have, people discovered MP3s, a decidedly inferior but much easier to use, cheaper, and smaller format.

I expect Blu-Ray will win over DVD in the future. It's inevitable at this point. If you think I'm arguing otherwise, you are missing my point spectacularly. The market shift is already happening. But if you think it's because "videophile" is necessarily synonymous with "early adopter", you are forgetting the burning corpses of every "superior" medium which Joe Average left smoldering in his wake, uncared for and largely unnoticed.

No.  Laserdisc came out in the late 70's (along with Betamax and VHS).  It NEVER reached more than 1 or 2% marketshare (and that was mainly in the US).  IT was a niche product.  You don't seem to know it's true, because you haven't done the research.  I have.  Packaged movie and music formats have been  been decided that way since the beginning.  It won't stop now just because YOU don't know this to be true.

I see you'e deciding to latch on to one particular point here - but was not LaserDisc the point of choice for true videophiles?

Was not Audio DVDs the choice for true audiophiles?

Video philes and audio philes are necessarily people who seek the highest quality at any given time. They are also extremely niche and do not decide the courses off these things. You can claim all you want, but the success of any given media generation is reliant on the average consumer, not the niche that can spend thousands on hardware nobody else feels they need.

Again: it's why we're all listening to MP3s, and why the originl portable radio was the biggest thing since cheese.



Megadude on 21 March 2009
Khuutra said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Khuutra said:

DVD wasn't the first potential successor to VHS. Remember? LaserDisc was. It was supported by videophils too. It still crashed and burned.

Betamax was the choice of video and audiophiles for its superior sound and image quality. VHS curb-stomped it anyway because Joe Average decided it was easier to deal with VHS' tracking and non-tape-eating playerrs.

DVD Audio was the choice of audiophiles as the successor to the CD. Never got off the ground because right when it got to the point where it could have, people discovered MP3s, a decidedly inferior but much easier to use, cheaper, and smaller format.

I expect Blu-Ray will win over DVD in the future. It's inevitable at this point. If you think I'm arguing otherwise, you are missing my point spectacularly. The market shift is already happening. But if you think it's because "videophile" is necessarily synonymous with "early adopter", you are forgetting the burning corpses of every "superior" medium which Joe Average left smoldering in his wake, uncared for and largely unnoticed.

No.  Laserdisc came out in the late 70's (along with Betamax and VHS).  It NEVER reached more than 1 or 2% marketshare (and that was mainly in the US).  IT was a niche product.  You don't seem to know it's true, because you haven't done the research.  I have.  Packaged movie and music formats have been  been decided that way since the beginning.  It won't stop now just because YOU don't know this to be true.

I see you'e deciding to latch on to one particular point here - but was not LaserDisc the point of choice for true videophiles?

Was not Audio DVDs the choice for true audiophiles?

Video philes and audio philes are necessarily people who seek the highest quality at any given time. They are also extremely niche and do not decide the courses off these things. You can claim all you want, but the success of any given media generation is reliant on the average consumer, not the niche that can spend thousands on hardware nobody else feels they need.

Again: it's why we're all listening to MP3s, and why the originl portable radio was the biggest thing since cheese.

Do you not see the difference between a 2000kb MP3 and a 50 GB HD movie? Try harder.

 



Khuutra on 21 March 2009
Megadude said:
Khuutra said:

I see you'e deciding to latch on to one particular point here - but was not LaserDisc the point of choice for true videophiles?

Was not Audio DVDs the choice for true audiophiles?

Video philes and audio philes are necessarily people who seek the highest quality at any given time. They are also extremely niche and do not decide the courses off these things. You can claim all you want, but the success of any given media generation is reliant on the average consumer, not the niche that can spend thousands on hardware nobody else feels they need.

Again: it's why we're all listening to MP3s, and why the originl portable radio was the biggest thing since cheese.

Do you not see the difference between a 200kb MP3 and a 50 GB HD movie? Try harder.

I'm sorry, your point has escaped me. What?