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mjc2021 on 21 March 2009
bardicverse said:
mjc2021 said:

 

Well it seems like we are on the same page. Ofcourse profitability is a concern and it seems like more ambitious efforts are ignored on the Wii. The best selling games on the PS3 and XBox 360 are typically the best games on those consoles.

That's another problem I have with Wii games. A ton of money goes into developing HD games and the quality is typically far better. Brand new Wii games are only about $10 dollars cheaper to the consumer, cost a fraction to develop, and are typically much inferior products. Sega for example will most likely put all their efforts into the Wii because their HD games just can't compete with the quality titles other companies develop. Wii owners have lower expections and drop the same kind of money oddly enough.

As far as the last thing you're touching on. My point is a lot of developers put games on the Wii with the intention of cashing in without delivering a great product. They exploit the Wii owners by bringing them a popular HD game and leaving out what made that game a success.

To be honest, regarding the HD game quality being far better, there are only a few things that the HD consoles do better than the Wii - graphics and physics. Most of the extra development costs for a HD game go into the art budget, because it takes a long while to develop HD models, something I'm learning as our own team goes on (2 level designers making 10 levels is a SLOW process)

I do agree that there are a lot of lazy developers making quick cash-ins. Yet at the same time, games like Mushroom Men, a very ambitious game, go ignored or dont show up on the marketing radar. We've become a society of gamers so hellbent on being spoonfed the same story over and over again in sequels, on different generations of consoles. What happens when there ARE no more Metal Gear Solids, Zeldas, or Grand Theft Autos? Gamers are adverse to embracing new IP, and without new IP, the market will dry up. What Nintendo has done was expand their userbase into newbie-friendly games, but even those people will get bored with sequels of their casual titles in time. Sorry, went off on a tangent there. I guess the bottom line is, while I'm frustrated with lazy devs, I'm also frustrated with snobby gamers.

 

 

 

bardicverse said:
mjc2021 said:

 

Well it seems like we are on the same page. Ofcourse profitability is a concern and it seems like more ambitious efforts are ignored on the Wii. The best selling games on the PS3 and XBox 360 are typically the best games on those consoles.

That's another problem I have with Wii games. A ton of money goes into developing HD games and the quality is typically far better. Brand new Wii games are only about $10 dollars cheaper to the consumer, cost a fraction to develop, and are typically much inferior products. Sega for example will most likely put all their efforts into the Wii because their HD games just can't compete with the quality titles other companies develop. Wii owners have lower expections and drop the same kind of money oddly enough.

As far as the last thing you're touching on. My point is a lot of developers put games on the Wii with the intention of cashing in without delivering a great product. They exploit the Wii owners by bringing them a popular HD game and leaving out what made that game a success.

To be honest, regarding the HD game quality being far better, there are only a few things that the HD consoles do better than the Wii - graphics and physics. Most of the extra development costs for a HD game go into the art budget, because it takes a long while to develop HD models, something I'm learning as our own team goes on (2 level designers making 10 levels is a SLOW process)

I do agree that there are a lot of lazy developers making quick cash-ins. Yet at the same time, games like Mushroom Men, a very ambitious game, go ignored or dont show up on the marketing radar. We've become a society of gamers so hellbent on being spoonfed the same story over and over again in sequels, on different generations of consoles. What happens when there ARE no more Metal Gear Solids, Zeldas, or Grand Theft Autos? Gamers are adverse to embracing new IP, and without new IP, the market will dry up. What Nintendo has done was expand their userbase into newbie-friendly games, but even those people will get bored with sequels of their casual titles in time. Sorry, went off on a tangent there. I guess the bottom line is, while I'm frustrated with lazy devs, I'm also frustrated with snobby gamers.

 

 

 

I can't agree with that. It seems that you're reducing far superior hardware to just cleaner visuals. I mean lets look at games like Grand Theft Auto 4 or Oblivion. If they were to bring those games to the Wii not only would they be far less impressive visually but it would also change the experience. They would have to reduce the amount of stuff going on the screen at once, lower the draw distance, and most likely the frame rate wouldn't be as smooth. The presentation definitely plays a big role in the over all quality of a game.

Wii owners always take notice when a game looks exceptionally great. Fortunately for people who own HD consoles, basically every game looks better than anything found on the Wii.

As far as the, "being spoonfed the same story over and over again in sequels, on different generations of consoles." Well maybe at some level you're correct but what really stands out in these HD quality games is the superior gameplay. A problem I have with the Wii is the games feel like the last gen. You say what "Nintendo has done was expand their userbase into newbie-friendly games," but I feel like Nintendo is just introducing people to the same crap we've played years ago. Infact Nintendo is probably the biggest offenders of spoonfeeding the same thing over and over.

Anyhow, the Wii won this console war because they were able to attract a younger generation and the their parents most likely chose the games. I mean have you seen the Wii top 50 selling games? You think kids asked for most of that garbage? And the Wii fit is also a big success because parents are probably tired of seeing their chubby kids just sitting there. When it comes to quality titles whether you want to agree or not, the 360 and PS3 just deliver far superior games.