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sakicfan84 on 17 March 2009
chasmatic12 said:
Impulsivity said:

The market being split between Sony and Microsoft makes it look as if HD consoles aren't the future; if you combine the game sales of the 360 and the PS3 they flat out dwarf the Wii especially with 3rd party sales. When the Wii games sell the 16+ million that successful HD games sell then talk about how its a sea change. There have been dozens of 10 million+ sellers on the PS systems over the years and very very few on Nintendo systems.  Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?  How is that the future of gaming?

I can't find an HD game that has sold 16+million... isn't GTAIV at 12 million or something?

 

10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system:

Grand Turismo (PS), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2), Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2), Grand Theft Auto III (PS2), Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system: 5

10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system:

Wii Sports (Wii), Wii Play (Wii), Wii Fit (Wii), Mario Kart Wii (Wii), Super Mario 64 (N64), Super Mario Bros (NES), Duck Hunt (NES), Super Mario Bros 3 (NES), Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Allstars (SNES), Pokemon Red/Blue (GB), Pokemon Yellow (GB), Tetris (GB), Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB), Super Mario Land (GB), Super Mario Land 2 (GB), Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA), Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA), Nintedogs (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS), Brain Training (DS), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), More Brain Training (DS), Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system: 25

 

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games is nearly at 7,000,000 and is still selling.

 

 

Sort of strange that you quote a post asking about the list of top selling 3rd party games for the Wii, and then you give a list of games all of which were published by Nintendo (except for Mario & Sonic, but I'm willing to bet the use of Mario wasn't free).

 



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elgefe02 on 17 March 2009

I just posted in a Rol's Thread!!



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FJ-Warez on 17 March 2009
elgefe02 said:
I just posted in a Rol's Thread!!

 

Me too!!!

 

Anyway, I think Rol is right, but as anywhere we will find people in denial...



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chasmatic12 on 17 March 2009
sakicfan84 said:
chasmatic12 said:
Impulsivity said:

The market being split between Sony and Microsoft makes it look as if HD consoles aren't the future; if you combine the game sales of the 360 and the PS3 they flat out dwarf the Wii especially with 3rd party sales. When the Wii games sell the 16+ million that successful HD games sell then talk about how its a sea change. There have been dozens of 10 million+ sellers on the PS systems over the years and very very few on Nintendo systems.  Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?  How is that the future of gaming?

I can't find an HD game that has sold 16+million... isn't GTAIV at 12 million or something?

 

10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system:

Grand Turismo (PS), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2), Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2), Grand Theft Auto III (PS2), Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system: 5

10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system:

Wii Sports (Wii), Wii Play (Wii), Wii Fit (Wii), Mario Kart Wii (Wii), Super Mario 64 (N64), Super Mario Bros (NES), Duck Hunt (NES), Super Mario Bros 3 (NES), Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Allstars (SNES), Pokemon Red/Blue (GB), Pokemon Yellow (GB), Tetris (GB), Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB), Super Mario Land (GB), Super Mario Land 2 (GB), Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA), Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA), Nintedogs (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS), Brain Training (DS), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), More Brain Training (DS), Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system: 25

 

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games is nearly at 7,000,000 and is still selling.

 

 

Sort of strange that you quote a post asking about the list of top selling 3rd party games for the Wii, and then you give a list of games all of which were published by Nintendo (except for Mario & Sonic, but I'm willing to bet the use of Mario wasn't free).

 

The portion of his post that I highlighted doesn't say anything about 3rd party sales. Even if he was referring to 3rd party sales, his statement was still flat out wrong.

 



theprof00 on 17 March 2009

the biggest problem is development costs.
However, I don't expect there to be much of a change in how the games are programmed next gen, so hopefully the cycle can be ended once people figure out the shortcuts and engines get real cheap

(i think I'm using that word correctly ^^. Hell aren't most games based of like the unreal/halflife/quake engine? Doesn't that make it easier to develop because a most of the code is already there?)

Anyways, while a few publishers may have said that they release cheap games on the wii (SEGA! btw rol still mad about that sonic game?) to fund bigger projects, I'm not entirely sure why companies aren't releasing casual ports to the HD systems. Then nobody would have to RELY on the wii.. :P



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wfz on 17 March 2009
mike_intellivision said:
sakicfan84 said:
wfz said:
mike_intellivision said:
Query for all who do not see the basic truth in Rol's arguement in the OP.

Would TakeTwo have had sufficient revenues to fund GTA IV had not Carnival Games sold so unbelievably well?

The company almost went under -- and almost had a hostile takeover -- as it prepped the latest installment in the Grand Theft Auto series. But the funds from its casual Wii offering allowed it to survive.

Mike from Morgantown

 

 

Are you sure that one game saved them? And GTA4 hasn't made money? That's a pity.

If anyone is saying that, they'd be an idiot.  From Take-Two's 2008 10-K:

"Our latest iteration in the Grand Theft Auto series, Grand Theft Auto IV , was released on the PS3 and Xbox 360 platforms in the second quarter of fiscal 2008. For the years ended October 31, 2008, 2007 and 2006, our Grand Theft Auto titles accounted for 46.2%, 13.1% and 22.4% of our total net revenue, respectively. No other products accounted for more than 10% of our revenue for the year ended October 31, 2008."

"We are dependent on the future success of our Grand Theft Auto products and we must continue to publish "hit" titles or sequels to such"hit" titles in order to compete successfully in our industry."

If the game accounted for over 40% of their annual revenue despite being out for only six months of that period, one would have to imagine it was insanely profitable.  They slobber all of the Grand Theft Auto series in their annual report...it's their bread and butter, and they know it.  The release of GTA 4 was definitely the leading factor in the company actually posting profits for a year.

 

People

 

I was not saying that GTA IV did not make Take Two money.

I was saying that the profits from Carnival Games served as bridge financing so it could complete GTA IV.

 

From the 10-K: "We are dependent on the future success of our Grand Theft Auto products and we must continue to publish "hit" titles or sequels to such"hit" titles in order to compete successfully in our industry."

Carnival Games Mini-Golf anyone?

 

Mike from Morgantown

PS -- I am not so daft to think that a game selling 12M does not make more money than one selling 3M.

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Carnival+Games+-+Wii&reg2=All&game2=Grand+Theft+Auto+IV+-+PS3&reg3=All&game3=Grand+Theft+Auto+IV+-+X360&weeks=100

 

I just looked back and realized I completely misinterpreted your post. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. :P



theprof00 on 17 March 2009
chasmatic12 said:
Impulsivity said:

The market being split between Sony and Microsoft makes it look as if HD consoles aren't the future; if you combine the game sales of the 360 and the PS3 they flat out dwarf the Wii especially with 3rd party sales. When the Wii games sell the 16+ million that successful HD games sell then talk about how its a sea change. There have been dozens of 10 million+ sellers on the PS systems over the years and very very few on Nintendo systems.  Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?  How is that the future of gaming?

I can't find an HD game that has sold 16+million... isn't GTAIV at 12 million or something?

 

10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system:

Grand Turismo (PS), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2), Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2), Grand Theft Auto III (PS2), Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system: 5

10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system:

Wii Sports (Wii), Wii Play (Wii), Wii Fit (Wii), Mario Kart Wii (Wii), Super Mario 64 (N64), Super Mario Bros (NES), Duck Hunt (NES), Super Mario Bros 3 (NES), Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Allstars (SNES), Pokemon Red/Blue (GB), Pokemon Yellow (GB), Tetris (GB), Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB), Super Mario Land (GB), Super Mario Land 2 (GB), Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA), Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA), Nintedogs (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS), Brain Training (DS), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), More Brain Training (DS), Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system: 25

 

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games is nearly at 7,000,000 and is still selling.

 

 

If I were an arrogant prick, I would say something like "those 5 PS games are better than those 25 nintendo games"

but if I were a rational human being, I would say something like "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems."

 



chasmatic12 on 17 March 2009
theprof00 said:
chasmatic12 said:
Impulsivity said:

The market being split between Sony and Microsoft makes it look as if HD consoles aren't the future; if you combine the game sales of the 360 and the PS3 they flat out dwarf the Wii especially with 3rd party sales. When the Wii games sell the 16+ million that successful HD games sell then talk about how its a sea change. There have been dozens of 10 million+ sellers on the PS systems over the years and very very few on Nintendo systems.  Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?  How is that the future of gaming?

I can't find an HD game that has sold 16+million... isn't GTAIV at 12 million or something?

 

10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system:

Grand Turismo (PS), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2), Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2), Grand Theft Auto III (PS2), Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system: 5

10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system:

Wii Sports (Wii), Wii Play (Wii), Wii Fit (Wii), Mario Kart Wii (Wii), Super Mario 64 (N64), Super Mario Bros (NES), Duck Hunt (NES), Super Mario Bros 3 (NES), Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Allstars (SNES), Pokemon Red/Blue (GB), Pokemon Yellow (GB), Tetris (GB), Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB), Super Mario Land (GB), Super Mario Land 2 (GB), Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA), Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA), Nintedogs (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS), Brain Training (DS), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), More Brain Training (DS), Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system: 25

 

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games is nearly at 7,000,000 and is still selling.

 

 

If I were an arrogant prick, I would say something like "those 5 PS games are better than those 25 nintendo games"

but if I were a rational human being, I would say something like "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems."

 

It wouldn't be arrogance, it would be delusion.

And I don't see an HD system mentioned anywhere in my post so your last statement is irrelevant.

 



wfz on 17 March 2009
theprof00 said:
chasmatic12 said:
Impulsivity said:

The market being split between Sony and Microsoft makes it look as if HD consoles aren't the future; if you combine the game sales of the 360 and the PS3 they flat out dwarf the Wii especially with 3rd party sales. When the Wii games sell the 16+ million that successful HD games sell then talk about how its a sea change. There have been dozens of 10 million+ sellers on the PS systems over the years and very very few on Nintendo systems.  Whats the top selling 3rd party Wii game at?  A few million?  How is that the future of gaming?

I can't find an HD game that has sold 16+million... isn't GTAIV at 12 million or something?

 

10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system:

Grand Turismo (PS), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2), Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2), Grand Theft Auto III (PS2), Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Playstation system: 5

10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system:

Wii Sports (Wii), Wii Play (Wii), Wii Fit (Wii), Mario Kart Wii (Wii), Super Mario 64 (N64), Super Mario Bros (NES), Duck Hunt (NES), Super Mario Bros 3 (NES), Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Allstars (SNES), Pokemon Red/Blue (GB), Pokemon Yellow (GB), Tetris (GB), Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB), Super Mario Land (GB), Super Mario Land 2 (GB), Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA), Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA), Nintedogs (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS), Brain Training (DS), Pokemon Diamond/Pearl (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), More Brain Training (DS), Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)

Total number of 10 million+ sellers on a Nintendo system: 25

 

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games is nearly at 7,000,000 and is still selling.

 

 

If I were an arrogant prick, I would say something like "those 5 PS games are better than those 25 nintendo games"

but if I were a rational human being, I would say something like "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems."

 

 

You would infer that just by looking at a list of 10m+ sellers?

That's what your "rational" sense is saying? Holy shit. :P

 

Third parties may have better overall sales on the HD systems, I haven't seen data on that in a while, but inferring that just by a list of 10m+ sellers is not rational.



theprof00 on 17 March 2009

First of all, that comment wasn't directed to any of you other than chas. I am not responding to his post but the tone of his or her post, so mind ya business.

Secondly chas, I merely pointing out that you yourself are not really explaining anything. You did prove one thing. That the guy was exaggerating. You did not prove that he was wrong.
Because he was never talking about first party games. You BOTH mentioned the word HD, and he proved, through your own actions, that 3rd parties sell better on "non-nintendo" consoles. :P