How does that detract from his point ? Dial up and Disk swapping evidently detract from the gameplay experience ( Dial up more so , disk swapping to a very minor extent ) Wheras controls is a matter of preference.

My point was that just because something was okay in 1997 doesn't mean it's not okay now.  Disc changing was no problem back in 97.  The Dual Shock was (and still is) a good controller.

Lmao,i aint done one of them in a WHILE!

@Ninjakido Installs subtract from gameplay as well,not to mention it kills the hype,and can ruin an entire game.

Err i'm confused :(.

Yeah.......me too  O_o.

Anything that delays the gamer from playing the actual game could be argued to detract from the experience . But ruin the game ?... you couldn't possibly own a PS3.

i would'nt know lol havent been on as much lately. :P

So will you OD on it when the Thrice GoW comes out?

I do,or did and iv seen people say there not gonna buy the game cause installs.

Why are we talking about installs on the PS3 now? Good developers have been able to code Uncharted and Killzone 2 with no installs whatsoever, and they stream alot of data.

But if you have 35 GB of data no good developer can save you from disk swapping on the 360.

As for those saying "I was 20 hours into the game when I had to swap disk", that's all fine and dandy as long as the progression of the game is linear. But what if you are on planet A, you choose to travel to planet B *disk swap*, then you choose to travel to planet C *disk swap*...

Weren't we all lovers of "huge, open world games"?

Last game I had to swap discs to play was Lands of Lore III. Not horrible, but a little bit annoying.
Planescape: Torment is on multiple CD's, but there is an unofficial patch that lets you install them all and avoid keeping a CD in the drive too. Morrowind Game of the Year Edition has game and expansions on several CD's, but you can install them all on HDD. Disc swapping isn't the end of the world, but single disc or HDD install rule.

Edit: obviously I'm talking about games for PC, where you can almost always choose between playing from optical disc or doing a full install, and where expanding HDD space is easy and cheap... Well, to be honest, it is too on PS3, you haven't to buy proprietary drives.