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Words Of Wisdom on 11 March 2009
Rainbird said:
@radha

I hear Opera wants Microsoft to include several browsers on the Windows disc, so when Windows is installed, you have to choose which browser to install with it

Imagine the power you would gain in any other industry if you could force your most powerful competitor to sell/give away your wares.



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Killzowned on 11 March 2009

Give people both. Once they try IE and realise how crap it is compared to other browsers then that will settle it.



koopatrooper on 11 March 2009

^what he said



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Staude on 11 March 2009

who fucking cares...
..
well.. that guy obviously... but beyond him.



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Squilliam on 11 March 2009

Browsers are worthless, so why are they fighting over them? The same goes for media players, again they are given away for free so theres no issue if MS does the same.



Tease.

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Bitmap Frogs on 11 March 2009
Squilliam said:
Browsers are worthless, so why are they fighting over them? The same goes for media players, again they are given away for free so theres no issue if MS does the same.

 

Not really...





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Squilliam on 11 March 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
Squilliam said:
Browsers are worthless, so why are they fighting over them? The same goes for media players, again they are given away for free so theres no issue if MS does the same.

 

Not really...

How so? I mean all of them are given away free. So this is just a question about making it easier to give away a competitors browser?

 



Tease.

Bitmap Frogs on 11 March 2009
Squilliam said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
Squilliam said:
Browsers are worthless, so why are they fighting over them? The same goes for media players, again they are given away for free so theres no issue if MS does the same.

 

Not really...

How so? I mean all of them are given away free. So this is just a question about making it easier to give away a competitors browser?

 

 

It is my understanding the browser developer gets a small tip from search engines when the built-in search box (usually next to the url bar) is used. Guess it adds up...





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supersonic414 on 11 March 2009
sethnintendo said:
@supersonic414, people are figuring about other web browsers. Just because some of the population is too uninformed/lazy to know there are other web browsers doesn't mean it is unfair business practice for Microsoft. Case in point: Look at Firefox (they had zero market share a little bit ago and now they have grown quite drastically due to having a good web browser). Once the old population that is usually less computer savvy dies off then web browser market will be pretty damn competitive.

On side note... How does Mozilla or any other company make money from offering web browsers for free? Just wondering..

 

 So they are supposed to ignore the portion of the population with the most expendable cash because they will "die off" soon?    I work for geek squad and trust me the percentage of the population that hasn't "figured it out" yet is quite large.  The best way to do this though, would be to have multiple browsers installed and make the person choose the first time they connect to the internet.



Rainbird on 11 March 2009
Jordahn said:
"I think Microsoft are 100% entitled to include whatever programs they want in their operating system, be it browsers, music players, etc."

It's perfertly legal to bundle and integrate software with an OS. But it's illegal to use is as a strongarm monopolistic tactic as proven by the Department of Justice vs Microsoft back in the mid 1990's. Often in the past, companies tried to take Microsoft to court for pro-monopolistic/anti-competitive practices. The problem lies where these companies had to first prove that Microsoft was a monopoly. All Microsoft had to do was to continually tie the preceding in court by financially draining these companies so that no justice was to be heard. But it wasn't until 20 states heard of the compaints from companies of those states that sparked the Department of Justice vs Microsoft court case. It was proven in court that Microsoft was specificly using its monopolistic stance to stint competition, thus potentially hurting business and consumers.

There is a history behind where Tetzcher is coming from. Just Google "Department of Justice Microsoft Internet Explorer Netscape." There is a lot to be learned here.

Oh, I didn't know that

But still, last time I checked, FF had a marketshare of 20%+ and Chrome rising fast (though I suspect those are mostly FF people turning to Chrome), so forcing Microsoft to include 3rd party software in their OS, seems a little excessive.

And I also think that it will be a bad move to make people choose between browsers on installation or whenever, mostly because the majority of PC owners probably have doubts as to what a browser is. They just want a fully fledged OS that works from the getgo.

But I think there should be ways to better enlighten people about their options, not just for browsers, but every piece of useful software usually used on a PC. An official website with this sort of info perhaps, and a small campaign attached to it, but now I'm a little far out I think

I also applaud the recent campaign in Norway, where major websites are running a encouraging people to upgrade from their IE6 browsers.