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Mr.Y said:

Why didn't the GameCube sell? It was powerful and had Nintendos best games..

Are you saying they should have done the same thing again plus motion controls? Would that have done better than the GameCube?

Nintendo wasn't suspecting success with the Wii and there is no going back.

 

    The Wii almost certainly sells based on the motion controls and reputation as a good casual console which has taken hold with women and families.  Noone is looking at the PS3 and saying "man I wish it had worse graphics, then I'd be all over that!"

   The Wii isn't selling because of poor graphics, but in spite of poor graphics.  If anything a Wii with better graphics would sell better, certainly not worse. 

   The Wiimote and accessability is just more of a plus then last gen graphics are a minus.  That does not mean that the Wii wouldn't be better off with two plusses (both good graphics AND a new controller thats casual friendly)




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PS360 games would be better on a system with new controllers. If MS and Sony actually made a system with upgraded graphics AND upgraded controllers, they'd get Wii ports that aren't dumbed down like the 360 version of Rayman Raving Rabbids. The game was made specifically for motion controls, ported to a system without them, and not surprisingly, it flopped.

And it's the same in the handheld world. Have you seen the Brain Age clones on PSP? Brain Age was designed specifically for a touchscreen and a microphone, so these games are really big turds without them.


Like I've said before, your precious HD systems can't even handle Wii Play. Let that sink in for a minute. All the graphics and computing power in the world can't even give you Duck Hunt, the world's best selling shooter.



I'll think about it

Zelda- definitely!
Mario Galaxy- if the game was retooled it could have been much better on PS3
Mario Kart Wii- Would have been better on 360, no motion control please
Brawl- best on wii. GCN controller is practically designed for Smash Bros.


One game that would ahve been vastly better on PS360 is NGHTS: Journey of Dreams. 360 and PS3 have smooth control stick, while GCN and Wii both have sharp edges that make moving ina circular pattern over and over impossible.



Sullla said:
RedHarvest said:

When I think about it like this, I really wish Nintendo hadn't taken the easy option and instead produced a powerful console similar to the PS360.

Going against the advice of every single analyst and releasing a console based entirely around unproven technology was the "easy option"? Huh?! 

On topic, I disagree, even within the silly parameters set in the original post. Mario Kart's steering wheel and Zelda's motion control sword fighting were/are my favorite parts of both games. And the games look more than good enough already.

Ok let's take each game I mentioned individually then:

Brawl: No motion control. Would be better in almost every way on an HD console.

Animal Crossing : No motion control. Would be better in almost every way on an HD console.

Mario Kart: I can understand some people may prefer the steering wheel peripheral to the nunchuk even if I don't. However, proper steering wheel peripherals have been around for years. They have pedals and everything!

Mario Galaxy: Basic use of motion control that doesn't add anything to the game. I've never met anyone that thinks the IR functionality in the game is a strong point, so take it or leave it.

Zelda: The bow is used very rarely. Loving the hastily tacked on after-thought sword motion would make me question your judgement. Either way, the possibilities of Zelda on an HD console could be huge. Look at the jump from SNES to the N64 Zeldas.

 



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gameplay > graphics.

all the best games have pretty tight graphics.

i enjoy using the motion control is galaxy, TP, MP3, etc.

sure, visuals are nice. but aslong as the game is great, i can give a rats ass how amazing the graphics are.

thats why i dislike some HD games- people call them amazing for graphics alone, and the gameplay is normal to lackluster.



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Impulsivity said:

You're arguing with a straw man there.  You can improve the hardware to something better then 2001 tech while still maintaining Wii style controls (if anything better tech would make it EASIER to accurately control the game with gestures).  Saying "I love the Wii controls" as a counter to "the Wii should be more powerful since then games would have better graphics and more capabilities" just doesn't make any sense.

The Wii would indeed be better, and might actually be worth continuing to own (I sold mine a while back) if it had some decent hardware in there along with the new control mechanisim.  I mean just look at Chop till you Drop, that game would have been great fun with the Wiimote if only the Wii didn't have to make it look like a crappy PS2 port.  RE4 was probably the best Wii game I played, but they can't have RE5 because the Wii can't come close to handling the graphics.  If I could play RE5 on the Wii (and games like it) I would be a Wii owner, but because Nintendo only uses parts from 10 year old consoles to design their systems (the SNES/N64 powered DS, the Gamecube powered Wii) I can't.

Impulsivity, you bring up a good point about graphics and motion controls not being an "either-or" proposition. However, I think you're also oversimplifying the situation. Nothing comes without a tradeoff of some kind. Sure, the Wii could have had PS360 graphics included, but then it also would have required a PS360 price tag to match. How would the Wii have done if it retailed for $400-$500 at the start? I tend to doubt it would have been snapped up by the mass market, and we could potentially be looking at some pretty dismal times for the gaming industry had that happened.

It's all well and good to say, "Wii should be more powerful!", but it's also an unrealistic stance to take unless you can also come up with some way to justify the higher costs that would be the inevitable result. The only way that PS360 were able to have the graphical capabilities that they do came about through massive subsidizing from their parent companies... which is a pretty lousy way to run a business, IMO.

 

   The Wii is now the 2nd most expensive console by a pretty decent margin and still sells. It WAS selling for 350 or so functionally for the first 2 years anyway since in almost all cases you had to pay some sort of ebay markup to own one or buy an expensive package deal at retail with extra stuff you don't want and a 350 or higher price tag. 

   There would be a tradeoff in price, but not as much as you would think really.  I mean I'm not saying the Wii should have been a do everything 800 dollar to make PS3 box.  I'm saying more like the 360 is.  It's functional but certainly not breakign the bank to make.  They could have made a Wii with a processor similar to the 360s for a 300 dollar entry point and still made money per console rather quickly.  Remember the Wii came out over a year after the 360, so they wouldn't have to eat the high start costs to make a console similar to the 360 a year later (by which time component costs have halved).




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Impulsivity said:
I don't see why everyone keeps conflating the Wii's new controller with no HD graphics. It just doesn't make sense.

The Wii could very easily have a better processor and GPU, even if slightly below the PS3/360 (IE where the gamecube was last generation) and STILL HAD THE WIIMOTE. The Wiimote does not require 2001 graphics to function. It would still function quite well if attached to a machine that did not max out at 480p.

If you are going to argue for the Wii argue the merits in question here which are graphics not controllers. The Wii with better graphics and the SAME CONTROLLER would right now have Resident Evil 5 and a host of other HD games in their full versions (unlike the horrid dumbed down chop til you drop which took a near classic down to a pseudo joke game).

The Wii games would have been better on a Wii that had a real upgrade to next gen graphics.

 

sigh... graphics this graphics that... I would be happy if the graphic level would stay still on PS2/GC level for the next 20 years or so, that way we can expect games to last more then ten hours and have great gameplay, beacuse right now all this obsession with HD graphics have made the story/gameplay/lagg/glitches so much worse.



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Impulsivity said:
Mr.Y said:

Why didn't the GameCube sell? It was powerful and had Nintendos best games..

Are you saying they should have done the same thing again plus motion controls? Would that have done better than the GameCube?

Nintendo wasn't suspecting success with the Wii and there is no going back.

 

    The Wii almost certainly sells based on the motion controls and reputation as a good casual console which has taken hold with women and families.  Noone is looking at the PS3 and saying "man I wish it had worse graphics, then I'd be all over that!"

   The Wii isn't selling because of poor graphics, but in spite of poor graphics.  If anything a Wii with better graphics would sell better, certainly not worse. 

   The Wiimote and accessability is just more of a plus then last gen graphics are a minus.  That does not mean that the Wii wouldn't be better off with two plusses (both good graphics AND a new controller thats casual friendly)

I didn't say it was selling because of poor graphics. But now that you mention it.. it is selling because of poor graphics.. because that makes the console cheaper. Nintendo was moving forward based on GameCube sales, do you not understand this? They assumed they were going to be in the same position and were attempting to minimize losses.

 



O-D-C said:
well Ill argue.

Graphics arent everything, theirs a reason Id rather play NES games then GTA IV or Gears Of Wars, its called gameplay, Iv never cared for graphics in games, I know we all dont share that sentiment but hey.

Online is fine for games like Mario Kart, it has everything it could need, Galaxy and Twilight well I dont see how online could be applied here.

DLC its on Wii, just less, it will come. Look at Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles: My Life As A King, big DLC is coming to Wii

Achecivments / trophys. Is this really that great? seems to me it can just be implemented in a game if they really want to (Mega Man 9)

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