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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

So you're saying  that Microsoft didn't have a good plan at all? Sony spoonfed them everything? Thats some strong loyalty you have their soldier.

 

Soldier? lol. I'm simply the type of person who simply saves money to get what they want. I'm not rich by any scale imaginable. I bought a ps3 for $500 simply because I preferred it. Even at the higher price point. With the price difference now, even a sony loyalist like myself am not too sure if I would have gone ps3. Maybe I would because of hidden 360 costs but I would never know.

M$ certainly had a good plan. However, if you ask me, this was similar to the plan last gen without the early launch. Remember that games like GTA still came to xbox just not early enough. The only "new plan" M$ really had this gen was the JRPG stimulus package for Japan which hasn't done much. If you ask me, many 3rd party parties were convinced to develop for 360 after the epic fail of the ps3 in 2007. That was worse for public perception than anything M$ ever did to sony. that was also the period where many decided to just get 360 instead of waiting to get a ps3 like they did after the 360 launched. This was also the time period where sony's last place in America was set in stone.

Yeah, sony basically spoonfed them the win because the main advantage M$ has (price) won't be a factor had sony not handed it to them on a silver platter to begin with.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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Pristine20 said:
hatmoza 2.0 said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

Hold on ! So your saying... Sony gave life to the 360 or made it what it is !!??

 

No. However, if the ps3 didn't lauch for $600 and stay so expensive for so long. It may actually be neck-in-neck with the wii right now because the wii for one won't have gotten as much attention. I know people who bought it simply because it was the cheapest way to go nex-gen. Some of them have since become bored though unfortunately.

If you had both the xbox and ps2 last gen, you'd realize that xbox was much better than the ps2 especially hardware-wise. However, sony won hands down because they'd essentially built a hardware legacy like nintendo seems to have built with it's games. This is also why the 3rd parties mosly flowed to ps2, giving it the superior library which a few would even argue against.

 

 

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Of course the Wii would've still been the top seller this gen. It gathered a whole new market to the game that Sony has been trying to crack for years. Nintendo got non-gamers to game. Something no one has been able to achieve since the NES came out.



Wii was hyped a lot before both consoles release. No matter what PS3 price was at launch Wii would still be huge. It was the cool and fun new thing you had to have.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
hatmoza 2.0 said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

Hold on ! So your saying... Sony gave life to the 360 or made it what it is !!??

 

No. However, if the ps3 didn't lauch for $600 and stay so expensive for so long. It may actually be neck-in-neck with the wii right now because the wii for one won't have gotten as much attention. I know people who bought it simply because it was the cheapest way to go nex-gen. Some of them have since become bored though unfortunately.

If you had both the xbox and ps2 last gen, you'd realize that xbox was much better than the ps2 especially hardware-wise. However, sony won hands down because they'd essentially built a hardware legacy like nintendo seems to have built with it's games. This is also why the 3rd parties mosly flowed to ps2, giving it the superior library which a few would even argue against.

 

 

See bold:

Of course the Wii would've still been the top seller this gen. It gathered a whole new market to the game that Sony has been trying to crack for years. Nintendo got non-gamers to game. Something no one has been able to achieve since the NES came out.

This is true. However, if the ps3 had the ps2/ps1's performance, it won't be far off. Thats why I used the term "neck-in-neck".

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

So you're saying  that Microsoft didn't have a good plan at all? Sony spoonfed them everything? Thats some strong loyalty you have their soldier.

 

Soldier? lol. I'm simply the type of person who simply saves money to get what they want. I'm not rich by any scale imaginable. I bought a ps3 for $500 simply because I preferred it. Even at the higher price point. With the price difference now. Even a sony loyalist like myself am not too sure if I would have gone ps3. Maybe I would because of hidden 360 costs but I would never know.

M$ certainly had a good plan. However, if you ask me, this was similar to the plan last gen without the early launch. Remember that games like GTA still came to xbox just not early enough. The only "new plan" M$ really had this gen was the JRPG stimulus package for Japan which hasn't done much. If you ask me, many 3rd party parties were convinced to develop for 360 after the epic fail of the ps3 in 2007. That was worse for public perception than anything M$ ever did to sony. that was also the period where many decided to just get 360 instead of waiting to get a ps3 like they did after the 360 launched. This was also the time period where sony's last place in America was set in stone.

Yeah, sony basically spoonfed them the win because the main advantage M$ has (price) won't be a factor had sony not handed it to them on a silver platter to begin with.

 

If Sony had the "JRPG Stimulus Package" fanboys would've given them all the credit in the world. MS needed to diversify and if that helped JRPG's then so be it. Microsoft is a very strongheaded coporation. They will keep trying in Japan regardless of the ignorance. Microsoft has the moto this gen of giving the Japanese what they so eagerly need despite the fact that they don't want it from us.

 



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SickleSigh said:

Wii was hyped a lot before both consoles release. No matter what PS3 price was at launch Wii would still be huge. It was the cool and fun new thing you had to have.

 

 Not in my circle of life. In my world, it was viewed as a gimmick/fad



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
hatmoza 2.0 said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

Hold on ! So your saying... Sony gave life to the 360 or made it what it is !!??

 

No. However, if the ps3 didn't lauch for $600 and stay so expensive for so long. It may actually be neck-in-neck with the wii right now because the wii for one won't have gotten as much attention. I know people who bought it simply because it was the cheapest way to go nex-gen. Some of them have since become bored though unfortunately.

If you had both the xbox and ps2 last gen, you'd realize that xbox was much better than the ps2 especially hardware-wise. However, sony won hands down because they'd essentially built a hardware legacy like nintendo seems to have built with it's games. This is also why the 3rd parties mosly flowed to ps2, giving it the superior library which a few would even argue against.

 

 

See bold:

Of course the Wii would've still been the top seller this gen. It gathered a whole new market to the game that Sony has been trying to crack for years. Nintendo got non-gamers to game. Something no one has been able to achieve since the NES came out.

This is true. However, if the ps3 had the ps2/ps1's performance, it won't be far off. Thats why I used the term "neck-in-neck".

 

 

Sony would've been where the 360 is right now as far as sales if they had done the job properly. Nearly 30 M consoles sold. The majority of the active market fell to Nintendo. I don't want a Wii, but I applaud the Wii still. The major savior to the videogame industry is the casual market. You can bet your bottom dollar next gen MS and Sony will be pandering to the casuals. LBP will not exactly be at the helm of that for Sony (LOLz).



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

So you're saying  that Microsoft didn't have a good plan at all? Sony spoonfed them everything? Thats some strong loyalty you have their soldier.

 

Soldier? lol. I'm simply the type of person who simply saves money to get what they want. I'm not rich by any scale imaginable. I bought a ps3 for $500 simply because I preferred it. Even at the higher price point. With the price difference now. Even a sony loyalist like myself am not too sure if I would have gone ps3. Maybe I would because of hidden 360 costs but I would never know.

M$ certainly had a good plan. However, if you ask me, this was similar to the plan last gen without the early launch. Remember that games like GTA still came to xbox just not early enough. The only "new plan" M$ really had this gen was the JRPG stimulus package for Japan which hasn't done much. If you ask me, many 3rd party parties were convinced to develop for 360 after the epic fail of the ps3 in 2007. That was worse for public perception than anything M$ ever did to sony. that was also the period where many decided to just get 360 instead of waiting to get a ps3 like they did after the 360 launched. This was also the time period where sony's last place in America was set in stone.

Yeah, sony basically spoonfed them the win because the main advantage M$ has (price) won't be a factor had sony not handed it to them on a silver platter to begin with.

 

If Sony had the "JRPG Stimulus Package" fanboys would've given them all the credit in the world. MS needed to diversify and if that helped JRPG's then so be it. Microsoft is a very strongheaded coporation. They will keep trying in Japan regardless of the ignorance. Microsoft has the moto this gen of giving the Japanese what they so eagerly need despite the fact that they don't want it from us.

 

Fanboys are very vocal but they're really not that many and are very irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. How many copies does your average JRPG sell again? Thats right, they're not that important. M$ probably won't have even acquired the "JRPG stimulus package" so easily had sony not already failed themselves. Even with the price difference, the ps3 is now selling close to the wii in Japan every week. Had this been the case from the start, all those niche Japanese RPGs would be on ps3 not wii and the ps3 would still fare better than the 360 in the JRPG dept. because M$ only courts the "big shots".

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

So you're saying  that Microsoft didn't have a good plan at all? Sony spoonfed them everything? Thats some strong loyalty you have their soldier.

 

Soldier? lol. I'm simply the type of person who simply saves money to get what they want. I'm not rich by any scale imaginable. I bought a ps3 for $500 simply because I preferred it. Even at the higher price point. With the price difference now. Even a sony loyalist like myself am not too sure if I would have gone ps3. Maybe I would because of hidden 360 costs but I would never know.

M$ certainly had a good plan. However, if you ask me, this was similar to the plan last gen without the early launch. Remember that games like GTA still came to xbox just not early enough. The only "new plan" M$ really had this gen was the JRPG stimulus package for Japan which hasn't done much. If you ask me, many 3rd party parties were convinced to develop for 360 after the epic fail of the ps3 in 2007. That was worse for public perception than anything M$ ever did to sony. that was also the period where many decided to just get 360 instead of waiting to get a ps3 like they did after the 360 launched. This was also the time period where sony's last place in America was set in stone.

Yeah, sony basically spoonfed them the win because the main advantage M$ has (price) won't be a factor had sony not handed it to them on a silver platter to begin with.

 

If Sony had the "JRPG Stimulus Package" fanboys would've given them all the credit in the world. MS needed to diversify and if that helped JRPG's then so be it. Microsoft is a very strongheaded coporation. They will keep trying in Japan regardless of the ignorance. Microsoft has the moto this gen of giving the Japanese what they so eagerly need despite the fact that they don't want it from us.

 

Fanboys are very vocal but they're really not that many and are very irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. How many copies does your average JRPG sell again? Thats right, they're not that important. M$ probably won't have even acquired the "JRPG stimulus package" so easily had sony not already failed themselves. Even with the price difference, the ps3 is now selling close to the wii in Japan every week. Had this been the case from the start, all those niche Japanese RPGs would be on ps3 not wii and the ps3 would still fare better than the 360 in the JRPG dept. because M$ only courts the "big shots".

 

Sony would've still been side by side with MS with JRPG's if they would've launched at a fair price. My reasoning for this is because MS increased the size of their library by launching early and getting more third parties (Regardless of genre) on their side. Their plan was to strip Sony of their biggest weapon which is third party devs. Sony did a good job of picking out American and European companies to make new games for them. I applaud them for that...because thats what saved them.

 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:

Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.

So you're saying  that Microsoft didn't have a good plan at all? Sony spoonfed them everything? Thats some strong loyalty you have their soldier.

 

Soldier? lol. I'm simply the type of person who simply saves money to get what they want. I'm not rich by any scale imaginable. I bought a ps3 for $500 simply because I preferred it. Even at the higher price point. With the price difference now. Even a sony loyalist like myself am not too sure if I would have gone ps3. Maybe I would because of hidden 360 costs but I would never know.

M$ certainly had a good plan. However, if you ask me, this was similar to the plan last gen without the early launch. Remember that games like GTA still came to xbox just not early enough. The only "new plan" M$ really had this gen was the JRPG stimulus package for Japan which hasn't done much. If you ask me, many 3rd party parties were convinced to develop for 360 after the epic fail of the ps3 in 2007. That was worse for public perception than anything M$ ever did to sony. that was also the period where many decided to just get 360 instead of waiting to get a ps3 like they did after the 360 launched. This was also the time period where sony's last place in America was set in stone.

Yeah, sony basically spoonfed them the win because the main advantage M$ has (price) won't be a factor had sony not handed it to them on a silver platter to begin with.

 

If Sony had the "JRPG Stimulus Package" fanboys would've given them all the credit in the world. MS needed to diversify and if that helped JRPG's then so be it. Microsoft is a very strongheaded coporation. They will keep trying in Japan regardless of the ignorance. Microsoft has the moto this gen of giving the Japanese what they so eagerly need despite the fact that they don't want it from us.

 

Fanboys are very vocal but they're really not that many and are very irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. How many copies does your average JRPG sell again? Thats right, they're not that important. M$ probably won't have even acquired the "JRPG stimulus package" so easily had sony not already failed themselves. Even with the price difference, the ps3 is now selling close to the wii in Japan every week. Had this been the case from the start, all those niche Japanese RPGs would be on ps3 not wii and the ps3 would still fare better than the 360 in the JRPG dept. because M$ only courts the "big shots".

 

Sony would've still been side by side with MS with JRPG's if they would've launched at a fair price. My reasoning for this is because MS increased the size of their library by launching early and getting more third parties (Regardless of genre) on their side. Their plan was to strip Sony of their biggest weapon which is third party devs. Sony did a good job of picking out American and European companies to make new games for them. I applaud them for that...because thats what saved them.

 

I'm not too sure about that. 360 just seems to have a few of the bigger names. There are many JRPGs with zero hype on wii and others on the psp and DS. I believe that had the ps3 pulled of a ps2, most of these games would be on ps3 thus pushing it ahead of the 360 amongst the JRPG crowd



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler