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Forums - Gaming - How Killzone 2 pwns Crysis and why I'm done with PC Gaming

This will be my one and only post on the issue for this thread.

Summary of OP:

Positions:
1) OP is unable to get their PC to play Crysis at the fidelity of certain screenshots.
2) OP lacks the ability and/or knowledge of how to build a good (yet affordable) gaming rig and relies on the assumed competence of others to make his point of how difficult he supposes it is to do.
3) OP thinks that "price VS price" comparison of "console VS PC" is fair.

Flaws:
1) Your computer sucks =P
2) Building a capable rig requires experience and like any skill it requires that you work at it. You can build a rig that plays Crysis at High 1680x for under $800 which is quite comparable to consoles when you consider point #3.
3) You are going to purchase a PC even if you own a console...because everyone has a PC these days, especially people that are "into" gaming. Whatever base price you pay for your PC could have gone towards the price of a gaming PC and for most people this is $400 to $600. For an additional cost that is less than a console you could have made it very capable a gaming rig.

My Positions:
1) PC gaming is not as open and inviting to the masses as console gaming is. It is far more accessible to those with PC knowledge or to those who just have cash to throw about. With that said most who do have the knowledge happily share it to those who ask for assistance and are willing to put in the effort to learn.
2) That lack of accessibility does not change the fact that the PC has a superior technical capacity and specifically that Crysis overshadows KZ2. Whether or not you are able to realize the potential of one and not the other, the fact remains that under a comparison of ideal circumstances Crysis wins (as you yourself admit).
3) The issue of less than ideal circumstances is obviously somewhat less clear as I would point out that less than ideal circumstances for KZ includes non-HD TVs and stereo sound the same way that you point out that non-ideal circumstances for Crysis includes underpowered video cards. Both sets of ideal circumstances include substantial financial investments to achieve beyond the basics. But the OP would ask we ignore this additional cost for one but not the other, and the answer to what should be included in the cost is itself subjective. As a result the ideal circumstance is the only objective standard to compare if one wants an objective answer to the question because it is the best possible for both.
4) For the non-objective answer it is left to each person to make a subjective determination about whether or not any two setups (one for KZ2 one for Crysis) are equivalent in whatever categories of equivalence they deem important and thus fair to compare. The result of that determination being the basis upon which the comparison's validity would rest. That determination being entirely subjective the validity only remains valid for the person who deems it so and not for anyone else. The result is that no basis for reasoned debate or discussion can exist over the subjective comparison among a group with widely differing views and is thus useless in that context.

Conclusion: The ideal circumstances for the two games shows that Crysis is the winner but in less than ideal-circumstances an argument can be made that things are not so clear. The gaming world being what it is (ie full of fanboys) it seems the only thing assured when discussing non-ideal scenarios is that it is a waste of time because the basis of the discussion is at the whim its fanboy participants because they are the most extreme and an internet debate is defined by the extreme points of view held by its participants.

Therefor the only conclusion to have is that Crysis is the better technical accomplishment but that KZ2 holds its own quite well as very few console games even merit any comparison at all and KZ2 merits a close comparison at that. Beyond that I can conclude that there is nothing worthwhile to conclude.



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AA definately make the game look more smooth. And it takes a hell of a lot of processing power for whaever reason.

Again to those who are calling me a fanboy I'll reiterate my 2 main points on why Killzone 2 looks better then Crysis.

1. Yes a high end PC is more powerful then a PS3. But the proof is in the pudding and the fact that were even comparing this console to a $3000-$10000 machine (or a $1000 machine you have to build yourself) is a testament to the PS3 and an insult to the gaming rig.

2. Killzone 2 looks better because it developers took the time to create detalis that make it look amazing. For example the Animation in Killzone 2 is WAAAY better then Crysis. That's where time and budget come into play. There is no direct X effect that you can apply which will animate enemies or background effects. This is somthing that the developers have time and money to create.

So the point is yes Killzone 2 looks better then Crysis. Not just because PS3 is very powerful (for a console) but that fact combined with the attention to detail and effort put into the aplication. Polygons pumped is only one apect of a games "Grafix"

If you still don't get it take a look at this it's GTA4 PC version vs. 360 version.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43930.html

Watch how the PC version (though a higher rez) lags, stutters and struggles compared to the $200 X-Box.

And what are the Specs on this PC? A Quad core with 2 high end graphics cards and 4 gigs of ram...... I know it's sick but it's real.



Oh. It's all about the money....boo-hooo, too bad for you :P It's all about preferences.

For example, I'd be willing to bet (and easily win this non-brainer bet) that there's more people with enough money to expend in luxuries like a $5000 gaming rig and even more expensive things in the world that would rather play with their Wii!! A lot more than those who bought Crysis or care to run it a very high settings anyway!



The reasons why you are quitting PC gaming are the reasons why I am not a PC gamer.



I have my pc hooked up to my 57 inch 1080p so I can play crysis on the beast. Nothing currently compares.



Had to change my sig to get some moderator to quit bitching about it......

 

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@Steroid, don't make your points with ignorance. The GTA IV code ported from the Xbox 360 uses some very float heavy ops which the PC cpus are not suited to.



Tease.

oh my gawd! Crysis looks really crappy. I mean, look at these crappy Crysis screens:




 

Really, even the awesome, superior water animations look crappy:

 

Really crappy-looking.

Just look at this clip showing the awesome and realistic water with amazing physics:

The realistic physics of the barrel

The water sprites from the bullets

The ripples from any object thrown at the water

The awesome light refraction underwarter

The amazing grenade explosion underwater

All terrible.

 

 

 

 



@ Shio:

Supersampling not for the win. If you want to show off crysis truthfully and rise above consolite bullshots you have to show it off at the native resolution.



Tease.

Steroid said:


If you still don't get it take a look at this it's GTA4 PC version vs. 360 version.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43930.html

Watch how the PC version (though a higher rez) lags, stutters and struggles compared to the $200 X-Box.

And what are the Specs on this PC? A Quad core with 2 high end graphics cards and 4 gigs of ram...... I know it's sick but it's real.

 

Saying simply and parenthetically that it is a higher resolution is fairly dishonest, the PC version has around double the pixels to push. The 360 did GTA4 at 720p from what I was able to find quickly, if the PC version was a higher resolution it was probably 1680x1050 or possibly 1920x1080.  The PS3 is even worse than the X360's 720p at 640p.  The difference in the video is that the PC is pushing an additional 91% (x1050) or 125%(x1080) pixels. 

You seem to consider the PC doing double the work to be an appropriate handicap for comparing the two platforms and therefor  you seem to concede your point just by making it

PS - Note that this GTA 4 video is not the issue I referred to at the start of my first post.

 



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@shio, I am fairly certain the physics are even better in Killzone 2. No offense. Crysis looks like a god(so does killzone2) But watching some of the things in killzone 2 when I play, I am fairly certain its crazy good.