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slowmo said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Sharky54 said:
$1000 Intel Core i7 965XE's inter-core bandwidth = 40,003MB/s (basically 40GB/s)...TOTAL bandwidth (cache+memory+inter-core) = 106,176MB/s (basically 106GB/s)

$400 PS3's Cell inter-core (EiB) bandwidth = 197GB/s (proven)


If that is true, my friend will be pissed. He spent 2000+ dollars on an uber gaming rig. He thinks he will be able to play PS3 emulators as soon as they pop up in a few years lol.

It is.  I provided the link.  The 2nd thing is that the Cell is an asynchronous processor (each core can perform completely separate tasks that are walled off from the rest of the processor).  The Intel Core i7 is not asynchronous.  That would complicate PS3 emulation, on a PC, even further.

 

How about you mention something on the cell that produces real world performance and doesn't top a graph you've seen over at SDF.  The PS3 couldn't produce Crysis, nuff said.

 

I guess you don't understand that inter-core bandwidth IS real world.  The theoretical inter-core bandwidth is over 200GB/s.

BTW, Killzone 2 beats Crysis overall, so you need to try again.  Oh wait...that's the best example you have on PC so far.  Oh well...

 



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Ascended_Saiyan3: 'It IS real world, just look at these theoretical numbers!'

This deeply amused me.



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Final-Fan said:
Ascended_Saiyan3: 'It IS real world, just look at these theoretical numbers!'

This deeply amused me.

 

 

Honestly I was trying to help him but I can't stop him shooting himself in the foot.

It would be wise to look into the deficiencies of a asynchronous design in relation to games before you signify it an advantage AS3.  Also bandwidth between cores is completely irrelevant if the amount of data each core can hold is tiny and the delay in getting more data makes the speed boost pointless.  The Cell is an excellent processor for certain things its just not as flexible as most developers would have liked hence the struggles in programming for it. 

Just to settle this discussion once and for all, do you think a PS3 could run Crysis at even 720p on high and still look as good or better than the PC?



Final-Fan said:
Ascended_Saiyan3: 'It IS real world, just look at these theoretical numbers!'

This deeply amused me.

This WOULD be amusing, if you didn't just lie and misquote me.  At least, people know not to trust what you say, now.  Thanks.

Then, of course, slowmo would join in with you, which makes him look just as bad.  It's sad.

 



slowmo said:
Final-Fan said:
Ascended_Saiyan3: 'It IS real world, just look at these theoretical numbers!'

This deeply amused me.

 

 

Honestly I was trying to help him but I can't stop him shooting himself in the foot.

It would be wise to look into the deficiencies of a asynchronous design in relation to games before you signify it an advantage AS3.  Also bandwidth between cores is completely irrelevant if the amount of data each core can hold is tiny and the delay in getting more data makes the speed boost pointless.  The Cell is an excellent processor for certain things its just not as flexible as most developers would have liked hence the struggles in programming for it. 

Just to settle this discussion once and for all, do you think a PS3 could run Crysis at even 720p on high and still look as good or better than the PC?

Inter-core, memory, and cache bandwidth is VERY relevant.  And, Intel's Core i7 doesn't have it over the Cell.  You are thinking in the terms of OLD programming knowledge.  Small pieces of data being moved around and processed in parallel is the NEW way of coding for next-gen architectures.

Maybe this will help you "get it", if you understand this in the first place (pages 94 - 194).  That's the Siggraph 2008 PDF for developers...by developers.  Note how those next-gen techniques look like best practices for Cell programming (small chunks of data).

The Cell is not as general purpose to developers TODAY.  When their code is changed to the best practices of NEXT-GEN coding (as many next-gen coding practices suggest), the Cell will be one of the MOST flexible general purpose processors on the market.  The Cell is just ahead of it's time.  And, whenever you have something ahead of it's time, you get people like yourself that have a hard time seeing what it is.

 



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Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Final-Fan said:
Ascended_Saiyan3: 'It IS real world, just look at these theoretical numbers!'

This deeply amused me.
This WOULD be amusing, if you didn't just lie and misquote me.  At least, people know not to trust what you say, now.  Thanks.

Then, of course, slowmo would join in with you, which makes him look just as bad.  It's sad.

I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between "full quotes" and 'half quotes'.  Full quotes is what would be used to literally quote you.  Half quotes, to my knowledge, are used for "quotations 'within' quotations", and also to show paraphrasing, which is what I was doing:  paraphrasing what you said.  I believe I was entirely accurate in summing up what you said:

"I guess you don't understand that inter-core bandwidth IS real world.  The theoretical inter-core bandwidth is over 200GB/s.

So, I condensed the first sentence down to "It IS real world", where "it" referred to inter-core bandwidth.  Since there's nothing else somebody might reasonably think "it" meant (or is there?  please tell me) then I stand by my position that this was a completely accurate paraphrasing of the first sentence. 

Your second sentence looked (and looks) to me like a continuation of what you are talking about in the first one.  If that is indeed the case then you are using a theoretical statistic to support the position that something has real-world performance.  I found (and find) this idea hilarious.  In any case, I substituted "just look at these theoretical numbers" for your actual example of said theoretical numbers.  I stand by my position that this was a completely reasonable substitution in order to accurately paraphrase your position for satirical purposes. 

Or, to sum up, I didn't lie.  I didn't misquote you -- and I did not, in fact, quote you at all, as such.  Nobody trusts me less because of that post.  And we aren't the sad ones. 



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Anyway, what kind of idiot do you think I am, to deliberately lie about what someone said in the post RIGHT ABOVE MY OWN and expect people not to notice?



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I'm gonna have to agree with the OP here as PC games always have a problem with lag and stutter. PC enthusiats say somthing like "my graphics card alone is like 4 time more powerful then your PS3". Well guess whut it doesn't look it.

Insert techno jargon: "obviously your simple mind cannot comprehend that the PC is running the game with a maxo blasto tri mega fart blast effects that nobody notices; on Maximum. The power of the GFrag supertron nerdpwnzer 5000 has enough power to connect the main photon thrusters beyond the far reaches of space into the future where captian kirk then takes the information and beams it down to Spock in the holodeck where it is then transferred to a subfolder to be extracted to the screen at a solid 13 frames per second! And if you smuggle yourself into the future you can pick one up for only $752!!! Now get out of my sight noob!"



hmmmmm... heres my laptop running this game looks better than killzone 2 still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PPTbppru6A&feature=channel_page



Final-Fan said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Final-Fan said:
Ascended_Saiyan3: 'It IS real world, just look at these theoretical numbers!'

This deeply amused me.
This WOULD be amusing, if you didn't just lie and misquote me.  At least, people know not to trust what you say, now.  Thanks.

Then, of course, slowmo would join in with you, which makes him look just as bad.  It's sad.

I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between "full quotes" and 'half quotes'.  Full quotes is what would be used to literally quote you.  Half quotes, to my knowledge, are used for "quotations 'within' quotations", and also to show paraphrasing, which is what I was doing:  paraphrasing what you said.  I believe I was entirely accurate in summing up what you said:

"I guess you don't understand that inter-core bandwidth IS real world.  The theoretical inter-core bandwidth is over 200GB/s.

So, I condensed the first sentence down to "It IS real world", where "it" referred to inter-core bandwidth.  Since there's nothing else somebody might reasonably think "it" meant (or is there?  please tell me) then I stand by my position that this was a completely accurate paraphrasing of the first sentence. 

Your second sentence looked (and looks) to me like a continuation of what you are talking about in the first one.  If that is indeed the case then you are using a theoretical statistic to support the position that something has real-world performance.  I found (and find) this idea hilarious.  In any case, I substituted "just look at these theoretical numbers" for your actual example of said theoretical numbers.  I stand by my position that this was a completely reasonable substitution in order to accurately paraphrase your position for satirical purposes. 

Or, to sum up, I didn't lie.  I didn't misquote you -- and I did not, in fact, quote you at all, as such.  Nobody trusts me less because of that post.  And we aren't the sad ones. 

There is where you went wrong in the first place.  I gave the REAL WORLD number of inter-core bandwidth of 197GB/s for the Cell.  The other guy said it was theoretical and NOT real world numbers.  THEN, I relayed the approx. theoretical inter-core bandwidth for the Cell.  What's not to get?  It seemed like a very simple thing to pick up on.  Oh well...