@bardicverse
I'd lay down my life fighting a government that had grown powerful enough to entirely eliminate illicit drugs. Such a concept is terrifying.
rocketpig said:
You're joking, right? There is no way to create an airtight law enforcement system, even if you went to Big Brotherish measures. Where there's a will, there's a way. The more drugs remain taboo and the less intelligent discourse that surrounds them, the more they remain a mystery to be abused by various subcultures and anti-establishment types in society. The more law enforcement cracks down, the more money there is to be made from selling those illegal products. Meaning that there will always be drugs available through various black markets, so long as they remain illegal. |
What happens if the source no longer exists? The plant which is the source for cocaine, for example? What happens if they become extinct and cocaine is no longer producable?
Keep in mind Im playing devil's advocate here, since ya's wont let me exit this damn topic ;)
| bouzane said: @bardicverse I'd lay down my life fighting a government that had grown powerful enough to entirely eliminate illicit drugs. Such a concept is terrifying. |
Wouldnt you find that pointless, if its really THAT powerful, that YOU could stop them? I'm just saying, unless your Super Cocaine Man with super powers, a well-oiled machine that could actually rout illicit drugs couldn't be stopped by people. =)
Drugs are for the weak!
I don't understand why people who complain about big government are the first one's who are willing to surrender everyone else's right to privacy to the government. Big Brother government is THE WORST type of big government there is. At least "Big Government" as he is so often called helps people out rather than going on a witch hunt after them.
Also - Just because the government labels something as something (alcohol as a non-hard drug) does not make it true. The FDA maintains that marijuana is a dangerous drug. Yet they say that alcohol is not when alcohol related crime and fatalities are SIGNIFICANTLY higher by any stretch of the imagination?
Plus alcohol is more physically addictive if you look at any scientific study. You are wrong, bardciverse, when you say that alcohol does not have addictive qualities. Alcoholics go through withdrawal when they don't have alcohol. Marijuana does not cause withdrawal and is not physically addictive.
One of the reasons for this is because marijuana stays in your body for so long. It can take a month or longer for marijuana to leave your body, so your body doesn't have a "crash" like it does with other drugs. Your body never develops a dependence on it because you are weaned off it slowly. It absorbs into your fat cells and exits your body over a long period of time.
Marijuana is psychologically addictive, but so is television, Cheetohs, masturbation, or rubbing yourself with a yellow balloon. Anything can be psychologically addictive.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
bardicverse said:
What happens if the source no longer exists? The plant which is the source for cocaine, for example? What happens if they become extinct and cocaine is no longer producable? Keep in mind Im playing devil's advocate here, since ya's wont let me exit this damn topic ;)
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Well to start, extincting a plant that naturally thrives in an environment is going to be impossible. I will give you a task, if you were cabable of eliminating every poppy flower in 1 state, I would be willing to listen to something as ridiculous as your statement. Even on a side note, how do you deal with the drugs that are not derived from plants?
bardicverse said:
What happens if the source no longer exists? The plant which is the source for cocaine, for example? What happens if they become extinct and cocaine is no longer producable? Keep in mind Im playing devil's advocate here, since ya's wont let me exit this damn topic ;) |
Impossible. Eliminate cocaine and people will use meth, derived from shit you can buy in any grocery store.
I would like to see someone try to eliminate the poppy plant. That would be quite a feat. What, are you planning on napalming half of Asia?
Besides, eliminate one "natural" drug and three designer substitutes will take its place. Across time and history, there was been one unifying theme amongst cultures:
They all found a way to get fucked up. Every major culture has figured out some method of distilling/brewing or using the natural plants around them to get high. Like I said, where there's a will, there's a way.
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| akuma587 said: Plus alcohol is more physically addictive if you look at any scientific study. You are wrong, bardciverse, when you say that alcohol does not have addictive qualities. Alcoholics go through withdrawal when they don't have alcohol. Marijuana does not cause withdrawal and is not physically addictive. |
You want to know an interesting little tidbit? Alcohol withdrawal can be so severe that it can actually kill a person. The body will completely shut down and stop working in some cases.
You know what withdrawals will not kill a person?
Heroin, cocaine, marijuana, meth, hash, crack, etc. etc. etc.
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Ok, with Akuma reiterating points made and explained for/against 3 pages ago, the only way to stop this from becoming an endless loop is to do as intended and agree to disagree. =)
| akuma587 said: I don't understand why people who complain about big government are the first one's who are willing to surrender everyone else's right to privacy to the government. Big Brother government is THE WORST type of big government there is. At least "Big Government" as he is so often called helps people out rather than going on a witch hunt after them. Also - Just because the government labels something as something (alcohol as a non-hard drug) does not make it true. The FDA maintains that marijuana is a dangerous drug. Yet they say that alcohol is not when alcohol related crime and fatalities are SIGNIFICANTLY higher by any stretch of the imagination? Plus alcohol is more physically addictive if you look at any scientific study. You are wrong, bardciverse, when you say that alcohol does not have addictive qualities. Alcoholics go through withdrawal when they don't have alcohol. Marijuana does not cause withdrawal and is not physically addictive. One of the reasons for this is because marijuana stays in your body for so long. It can take a month or longer for marijuana to leave your body, so your body doesn't have a "crash" like it does with other drugs. Your body never develops a dependence on it because you are weaned off it slowly. It absorbs into your fat cells and exits your body over a long period of time. Marijuana is psychologically addictive, but so is television, Cheetohs, masturbation, or rubbing yourself with a yellow balloon. Anything can be psychologically addictive. |
Not everyone who dislikes big government supports government intervention to prevent drug usage ...
Beyond that, the insane level or partisanship in our political system forces people to take a lot of inconsistent positions on a lot of issues. Many people (like myself) see the war on drugs and gun control to be fairly similar issues, and think that it is amazing that so many people will argue that making one illegal won't prevent people from having access to it while promoting more (and more strict) laws on the other.
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