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halogamer1989 said:
Oh for fuck's sake guys. Do you always have to gang up on me like this? Get your damned kicks somewhere else.

Do what you want but when your strung out and your kids have no life and look up to you for influence and see that the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree realize that maybe you could have down things a little bit differently.

Hello, whine-one-one? I need a waaaambulance dispatched to the location immediately. Maybe people are ganging up on you because your statements and beliefs are contrary to common sense and medical fact. As for your political asperations, I'd love to see you bawwwwwing in a debate. As for the apple falling from the tree, I wouldn't care if my children grew up to be responsible, recreational drug users just like me.

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bardicverse said:
bouzane said:
@bardicverse

I'd lay down my life fighting a government that had grown powerful enough to entirely eliminate illicit drugs. Such a concept is terrifying.

Wouldnt you find that pointless, if its really THAT powerful, that YOU could stop them? I'm just saying, unless your Super Cocaine Man with super powers, a well-oiled machine that could actually rout illicit drugs couldn't be stopped by people.  =)

He wouldn't be alone.

He'd have my bow!

And my ax!

 

bardicverse said:
Ok, with Akuma reiterating points made and explained for/against 3 pages ago, the only way to stop this from becoming an endless loop is to do as intended and agree to disagree. =)

Do you disagree with my point that stopping drug cartels are bad and that legalizing drugs would take away their money, power, and prestige, which would be good?

Or are drug cartels killing people all over the world "an acceptable loss" that comes with keeping our dirty drugs in dark alleys near schools instead of safe licensed dispensaries far away from schools?

I really see legalizing drugs as a winwinwinwinwin situation.  I'm  down to agree to disagree, but I'm not sure which point we disagree on.  You don't want people to do drugs, and I don't care what people do at all.  But when drugs are legalized, people do drugs LESS.  Legal or not, most people prefer to get drunk than to do a bunch of crazy drugs.

 



I say we switch the word 'marijuana' with gun in this argument. Should we criminalize posession of guns? No that's dumb I mean, criminals would get them anyways and then you would create a black market for them.

Of course guns and drugs aren't the same but the logic behind banning or legalizing them is pretty much the same. Guns are legal, alcohol is legal, tobacco is legal and not everyone owns a gun and abuses it, drinks alcohol and abuses it, or smokes (in general). I imagine you wouldn't see much greater levels of drug abuse as long as you tried to educate people.



bouzane said:
halogamer1989 said:
Oh for fuck's sake guys. Do you always have to gang up on me like this? Get your damned kicks somewhere else.

Do what you want but when your strung out and your kids have no life and look up to you for influence and see that the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree realize that maybe you could have down things a little bit differently.

 

Hello, whine-one-one? I need a waaaambulance dispatched to the location immediately. Maybe people are ganging up on you because your statements and beliefs are contrary to common sense and medical fact. As for your political asperations, I'd love to see you bawwwwwing in a debate. As for the apple falling from the tree, I wouldn't care if my children grew up to be responsible, recreational drug users just like me.

Figures you're Canadian.  I am not whining.  Another thing, you have not seen me in a debate and I can guarantee you I would best you.

 



Moongoddess256 said:
Has anyone mentioned yet that softer drugs like MDMA and LSD have a lot of potential in being used as effective treatments for psychological problems?

Ooh, and one recent study showed that use of salvia can help cure people of meth addiction.  They hallucinate like crazy for 10 minutes, and the part of their brain that goes "need meth need meth need meth" turns off.  They might even meet their power animal or learn the true meaning of love and friendship during their trip, hahaha.

halogamer1989 said:
Oh for fuck's sake guys. Do you always have to gang up on me like this? Get your damned kicks somewhere else.

Do what you want but when your strung out and your kids have no life and look up to you for influence and see that the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree realize that maybe you could have down things a little bit differently.

Hey, you're the one who made the blanket statement that all Americans are too immature to handle credit cards or drugs.  It only takes one American who can handle credit cards and drugs to prove you wrong.  That American is me!

And we just switched from one ex-cokehead president to another.  The differences between 2 cocaine users is astonishing, isn't it?  You can't generalize drug users.



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Rubang don't you have a socialist film to shoot for class?



@halogamer1989

"Figures you're Canadian"

Figures, another ignorant comment. FYI, I'm a Newfoundlander that sympathises with the local separatist movement.

"I am not whining"

Lie

"I can guarantee you that I would best you"

From the statements I've seen you make tonight I doubt it. Saying things like it could be argued that marijuana is harder than alcohol would have most educated people laughing at you. Once I put up the facts that bury this lie you'd shoot back with nothing unless it was another lie. I really would love to see you in an open-forum debate where we could "gang up on you".



akuma587 said:

For the record, here is a pretty good list of the most dangerous drugs around. The list does not include methamphetamines because meth is still a relatively recent phenomenon and was not as big of a deal when the study was done. Some drugs are subcategorized under these broader categories:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/

Research recently published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

 

While I don't want to disagree with the study published in the medical journal I think that the only reason Alcohol and Tobacco are rated so highly is because of how widespread the use of these drugs are ... While the statistic "Tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses" may be true, if as many people huffed solvents as smoked Tobacco I'm sure the damage form solvents would be far (FAR) higher than the damage we see from Tobacco.

 



bouzane said:
@halogamer1989

"Figures you're Canadian"

Figures, another ignorant comment. FYI, I'm a Newfoundlander that sympathises with the local separatist movement.

"I am not whining"

Lie

"I can guarantee you that I would best you"

From the statements I've seen you make tonight I doubt it. Saying things like it could be argued that marijuana is harder than alcohol would have most educated people laughing at you. Once I put up the facts that bury this lie you'd shoot back with nothing unless it was another lie. I really would love to see you in an open-forum debate where we could "gang up on you".

vgcpolitics.freeforums.org  Join and we can discuss.  Oh wait... I'm the admin of this VGC sister site so I would permaban you before you even post.

 



halogamer1989 said:
Rubang don't you have a socialist film to shoot for class?

Nope.  My films are more about puking on my own crotch than socialism.  Or monsters having a party.  I take it you haven't seen any of them.  Links are in my profile if you're interested.

Or you can debate any of the points I've made so far if you'd like to debate.  Do you guarantee you can out-debate me, or does that guarantee only stand for bouzane?  I'm in America if that makes any difference, since you seem to look down on Canadians for some reason.  But then again, you look down on Americans too and think we're all too dumb for credit cards.

My position is that legalizing every drug in America is good for everybody IN THE WORLD.