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theRepublic on 27 February 2009
halogamer1989 said:
Cheebee said:
Nothing wrong with legalizing drugs, really. But it depends on the people. I live in the Netherlands and no-one here gives a flying fart about it. Some people use it, but the vast majority doesn't. Of the people who use it, only a tiny minority could be seen as junkies or addicts. But those are everywhere, all over the world. Yes we are a small country, but relatively, we have far less drugs-related problems than other countries like the US for example. That being said, I don't think Americans could handle it.

This is what I mean.  Americans are not mature when it comes to these things.  If they can't handle daily credit cards, how much more can they handle a drug that can have life changing effects?

 

Un-fucking-believable



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halogamer1989 on 27 February 2009
bouzane said:
halogamer1989 said:
This isn't an essay contest with formal outlines rocket. You get the gist of what I mean, I hope.

 

Remember that before prohibition it was generally considered unconstitutional to outlaw drugs. There's nothing worse than trying to justify a nanny-state in which a large obtrusive government tells me that I don't have the right to use certain recreational drugs in a responsible manner. Consider the fact that hard drugs such as alcohol are legal and this selective prohibition makes even less sense.

Well it is what I believe.  It can be argued that marijuana is "harder" than alcohol and if the former is legalized what's to stop ppl from wanting to legalize coke, lsd, and all other kinds of drugs?  Once you give in, the ppl will clamor for more.  How far down the rabbit hole is the gov't willing to go with legalization before everyone is strung out and on the streets?  1960s deja vu anyone?

 



akuma587 on 27 February 2009
halogamer1989 said:
Cheebee said:
Nothing wrong with legalizing drugs, really. But it depends on the people. I live in the Netherlands and no-one here gives a flying fart about it. Some people use it, but the vast majority doesn't. Of the people who use it, only a tiny minority could be seen as junkies or addicts. But those are everywhere, all over the world. Yes we are a small country, but relatively, we have far less drugs-related problems than other countries like the US for example. That being said, I don't think Americans could handle it.

This is what I mean.  Americans are not mature when it comes to these things.  If they can't handle daily credit cards, how much more can they handle a drug that can have life changing effects?

 

But I thought you were against the government telling us how to live our lives and interfering with our lives? What about the importance of personal responsibility and pulling yourself up by your own boot straps?  The American people can build the most successful economy in the world but can't handle marijuana?

You like it when the government doesn't interfere with the economy, but you also like it when they interfere with people's lives?  Who told the government to be our daddy?  I thought you were against a "nanny" state with the government taking care of people?  So now the government has to take care of people by telling them what is wrong and right?

You would make a great politician, because nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

bouzane on 27 February 2009

@halogamer1989

No, it can't be argued that marijuana is harder than alcohol. Say that to a medical professional and they will laugh in your face. Legalizing additional drugs would never lead to "everybody being strung out in the streets" due to the fact that anybody who wants to use drugs already is. Law enforcement is almost entirely ineffective in enforcing anti-drug laws so legalization would hardly effect drug rates if at all. If I want drugs, I get them with zero concerns about drug prohibition. As far as what should be legalized I'd favor soft (non-addictive, little physical harm, no overdosing) to medium drugs (addictive, somewhat harmful, moderate risk of OD). Some examples would be LSD, psilocybin, MDMA, marijuana, nicotine and alcohol.



akuma587 on 27 February 2009

For the record, here is a pretty good list of the most dangerous drugs around. The list does not include methamphetamines because meth is still a relatively recent phenomenon and was not as big of a deal when the study was done. Some drugs are subcategorized under these broader categories:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/

Research recently published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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akuma587 on 27 February 2009

@ halogamer

If we shouldn't be allowed to smoke marijuana, should we be allowed to drink alcohol? Or smoke cigarettes?



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

bouzane on 27 February 2009

@akuma857

You should have stated that it was a good list of the most common drugs. As for a list of dangerous drugs it fails without the inclusion of belladonna and datura.



Moongoddess256 on 27 February 2009

Has anyone mentioned yet that softer drugs like MDMA and LSD have a lot of potential in being used as effective treatments for psychological problems?



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halogamer1989 on 27 February 2009

Oh for fuck's sake guys. Do you always have to gang up on me like this? Get your damned kicks somewhere else.

Do what you want but when your strung out and your kids have no life and look up to you for influence and see that the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree realize that maybe you could have down things a little bit differently.



Cheebee on 27 February 2009

What about coffee? I bet that's harmful. America should ban coffee! And while they're at it, ban the crap food as well, fastfood should be illegal there, it's killing more people than drugs I bet.



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