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WraithPriest on 25 February 2009

I agree with Mudface.


Now a days when i buy a game with SecuROM or other DRM on it, i download a cracked copy and run that using my CD Key instead.

That way, I've paid the developer and publisher AND been able to install it without having to agree to the EULA for SecuROM.

However, i don't understand why you didn't just take back Civ4, most shops i use are pretty understanding and will refund you if you explain the situation and it hasn't been too long.



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richardhutnik on 25 February 2009
Mudface said:
So basically you ran into copy protection problems. You have my sympathy, although I have no idea why you thought you needed a BIOS update. I'd have just downloaded a no-CD crack for it. And why couldn't you return it? If it doesn't work, then it's not fit for purpose- I wouldn't have left the shop until I'd been refunded.

So we're back to a buggy game and one which didn't agree with your hardware. Hardly compelling proof I'd say.

With the Civ4 I did.  I was informed to get SecureRom (However it is spelled) I had to update my BIOS.  As for not being able to return it, well I want it to work, I hoped also for a patch.  But unlike videogame stuff, places don't take back opened computer software anymore.  You will get back the same copy of the game, not your money back.  And this is everywhere: Gamestop, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc... They are all like this.  They offer you the same thing back.

My take here is that it is best not to mess with PC software and be done with it.

 



vlad321 on 26 February 2009

Wait wait, consoles dont have games that lock up, have bugs, eat saves, glitch? FUCK this is some VERY serious news to me. I distinctly remember Fable II fucking up my rommate's save, or crashing... I also distinctly remember Bully locking up... I also.... I can keep this shit up ALL night.

 

You can stick your software problems argument where the sun don't shine this gen. Newsflash, consoles don't have that immunity anymore.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

volcatius on 26 February 2009

Played The settlers I, II, III, IV, V for years on my PC.

Bought The Settlers NDS.
Crash. Boom. Bang. Lag.

How does such a game pass Nintendo's quality check?



richardhutnik on 26 February 2009

Bad code is bad code. Games getting more complex make it likely to end up having bad code written. What you have with the PC is an unstable platform, with a ton of stuff happening that doesn't know what else is happening, that results in code being less likely to work right, or load at all. Different brand of video cards, different software and the like make it more likely to happen by a far margin.

At least one can say they are pretty much guaranteed a game will load when you run it on a console you have. This is not true about the PC, and the are far less ways to protect yourself with a PC software purchases. Only thing is try a demo and see if it works. Well, I did that with Galactrix and ran into this issue.



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vlad321 on 26 February 2009
richardhutnik said:
Bad code is bad code. Games getting more complex make it likely to end up having bad code written. What you have with the PC is an unstable platform, with a ton of stuff happening that doesn't know what else is happening, that results in code being less likely to work right, or load at all. Different brand of video cards, different software and the like make it more likely to happen by a far margin.

At least one can say they are pretty much guaranteed a game will load when you run it on a console you have. This is not true about the PC, and the are far less ways to protect yourself with a PC software purchases. Only thing is try a demo and see if it works. Well, I did that with Galactrix and ran into this issue.

 

My friend ran the Fable II demo and he ran into the issue of game crashes... Please refer to my tag.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Mudface on 26 February 2009

I'd give it up richardhutnik, you're not really making any sense, let alone a valid point. For what it's worth your consumer rights are exactly the same whatever platform's games you've bought. The various DirectX API's and the like do an excellent job of abstracting what a game's doing from the rest of the operating system so the PC is far from 'unstable'. Along with many others, I can't recall a PC game giving me a problem for years now.



WraithPriest on 26 February 2009
Mudface said:
I'd give it up richardhutnik, you're not really making any sense, let alone a valid point. For what it's worth your consumer rights are exactly the same whatever platform's games you've bought. The various DirectX API's and the like do an excellent job of abstracting what a game's doing from the rest of the operating system so the PC is far from 'unstable'. Along with many others, I can't recall a PC game giving me a problem for years now.

 

I know the last game i had an issue with =!

 

It was my oooold Red Alert 95 CD

 

When i tried to run it on Vista, lol, only issue ive had with Vista fullstop :P



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1.25TB HDD (1x1TB, 1x250GB)
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volcatius on 27 February 2009

The last games i bought for my PC (running on XP):

Mass Effect - no problems at all
ME Bring down the sky (free) - one problem with the sound, fixed
Drakensang - no problems at all
Galactic Civilizations 2 Endless Universe - no problems at all
Strategic Command 2 Pacific Theater - no problems at all
King's Bounty The Legend - no problems at all
Fallout 3 - 2 crashes in 50+ hours while alt-tabbing

Fable 2 - one freeze after 2 hours
Stopped playing because of laughable difficulty and gameplay



richardhutnik on 27 February 2009
Mudface said:
I'd give it up richardhutnik, you're not really making any sense, let alone a valid point. For what it's worth your consumer rights are exactly the same whatever platform's games you've bought. The various DirectX API's and the like do an excellent job of abstracting what a game's doing from the rest of the operating system so the PC is far from 'unstable'. Along with many others, I can't recall a PC game giving me a problem for years now.

The PC allows people to go internally and add and remove parts, and have a platform that allows customizability, at the lack of predictability.  It is a harder target to code towards.  Perhaps strides have been made towards addressing this, but I did list a bunch of reasons for why there are issues involved, and why PC gaming is more of a headache than console gaming.  EVEN if you get the game to work, you still face other issues.