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twesterm on 24 February 2009
FinalEvangelion said:
BCrayfish said:
What if the game is actually good though? Hypothetically of course.

 

Apparently, he has already determined it to be a bad game. You know, not having played it of course. But he knows...

 

Just like people can assume it will be a good game, I can assume it will be a bad game until proven otherwise.

  • The main character is described as being Cloud but a chick -- nothing says sellout more except...
  • They are already planning ten years of spinoffs -- tells you they are interested in nothing other than cash.  Rather than giving us a memorable story or interesting characters, they're just giving us a female Cloud and hope that keeps people interested.
  • The game has had delay after delay after delay -- It's not completely unorderinary for a game to have a delay, most do, but this one has had delay after delay after delay.  It could be for the better, but it could also be because the game is one giant clusterfuck
  • They care more about how the game looks than anything else -- Unless I'm mistaken (and I could be) just about everything told to us has been about eye candy or future spinoffs.  I don't play Final Fantasy games for eye candy, I play them for interesting characters and a good story.
  • The last few games have been bad, why would this one be good?  They could always pull a FFIX on us but you can't really expect anomalies.

 



 

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Onyxmeth on 24 February 2009
twesterm said:
BCrayfish said:
What if the game is actually good though? Hypothetically of course.

 

It could happen and I would love to be wrong about FFXIII but we have a much better chance of seeing a good 3D HD Sonic game before that.  Sure, we'll have people ranting and raving about how FFXIII is a masterpiece the same way people rant and rave about FFXII but it still doesn't change the fact it's a bad game.

Yeah...that's not a fact. I actually found the game to be pretty enjoyable despite it's many mistakes.

 



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Khuutra on 24 February 2009

Wouldn't it be more productive to hope that the half dozen spin-offs bomb hard? That's where they'll have spent most of the money, and it doesn't necessitate an expectation of FFXIII being a bad game.

You tasteless man you.



Pristine20 on 24 February 2009
twesterm said:
Pristine20 said:
I don't agree that the FF series have been shit for 10 years. Even when they don't turn out as you want. It's always obvious that blood, sweat, tears and $$$ were dumped into every main series game.

I do agree with you, however, that the spin offs are quite ridiculous and people need to stop buying them so that S-E actually starts developing games again not rehashes but with Wada at the helm, I don't expect any changes anytime soon.

 

Oh I believe there's blood, sweat, and tears put into the game but no real love.  It's all about the money and all about pleasing the Cloud fanboys, not about actually making a decent game.

I actually think making Cloud a chick in FFXIII is a genius move from their point of view because now fanboys don't have to feel so bad about being in love with Cloud.

I don't think any of the games after FFvii have been similar at all. One of the reasons many hate ffviii for example is how everything about it is different. I won't say Squaresoft was trying to please the Cloud fans. I personally even feel that Squall>>>>>>Cloud. All in all, all FF main series games are still at the upper echelon of the JRPG genre. It's DQ where every game looks the same as the last that really needs to come under the microscope.

 



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kutasek on 24 February 2009
twesterm said:
FinalEvangelion said:
BCrayfish said:
What if the game is actually good though? Hypothetically of course.

 

Apparently, he has already determined it to be a bad game. You know, not having played it of course. But he knows...

 

Just like people can assume it will be a good game, I can assume it will be a bad game until proven otherwise.

  • The main character is described as being Cloud but a chick -- nothing says sellout more except...
  • They are already planning ten years of spinoffs -- tells you they are interested in nothing other than cash.  Rather than giving us a memorable story or interesting characters, they're just giving us a female Cloud and hope that keeps people interested.
  • The game has had delay after delay after delay -- It's not completely unorderinary for a game to have a delay, most do, but this one has had delay after delay after delay.  It could be for the better, but it could also be because the game is one giant clusterfuck
  • They care more about how the game looks than anything else -- Unless I'm mistaken (and I could be) just about everything told to us has been about eye candy or future spinoffs.  I don't play Final Fantasy games for eye candy, I play them for interesting characters and a good story.
  • The last few games have been bad, why would this one be good?  They could always pull a FFIX on us but you can't really expect anomalies.

 

What about FFIV DS, that was good game. Sure it's a remake, but it's a good one.

 



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Pristine20 on 24 February 2009
twesterm said:
FinalEvangelion said:
BCrayfish said:
What if the game is actually good though? Hypothetically of course.

 

Apparently, he has already determined it to be a bad game. You know, not having played it of course. But he knows...

 

Just like people can assume it will be a good game, I can assume it will be a bad game until proven otherwise.

  • The main character is described as being Cloud but a chick -- nothing says sellout more except...
  • They are already planning ten years of spinoffs -- tells you they are interested in nothing other than cash.  Rather than giving us a memorable story or interesting characters, they're just giving us a female Cloud and hope that keeps people interested.
  • The game has had delay after delay after delay -- It's not completely unorderinary for a game to have a delay, most do, but this one has had delay after delay after delay.  It could be for the better, but it could also be because the game is one giant clusterfuck
  • They care more about how the game looks than anything else -- Unless I'm mistaken (and I could be) just about everything told to us has been about eye candy or future spinoffs.  I don't play Final Fantasy games for eye candy, I play them for interesting characters and a good story.
  • The last few games have been bad, why would this one be good?  They could always pull a FFIX on us but you can't really expect anomalies.

 

I see now where our differing views on the ff main series comes in. IMO, FFIX was the worst one in the series that I've played and that was supposed to be the retro FF. This is why I usually assume that I won't like the FFs before FFvii. FFVIII was my first FF though not FFVII.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

outlawauron on 24 February 2009

I think it's absolutely crazy about how divided the FF fanbase is. People are in love with FF 12 and some hate it with a passion!



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Rei on 24 February 2009

To be honest, I can understand why some people feel that FFXII is not a good game. What I cant understand however is how some people like OP are mad that FFXII still was a major success.

It's like it pisses them off that there are millions of people who have enjoyed it - I just cant understand this way of thinking.



twesterm on 24 February 2009
kutasek said:
twesterm said:
FinalEvangelion said:
BCrayfish said:
What if the game is actually good though? Hypothetically of course.

 

Apparently, he has already determined it to be a bad game. You know, not having played it of course. But he knows...

 

Just like people can assume it will be a good game, I can assume it will be a bad game until proven otherwise.

  • The main character is described as being Cloud but a chick -- nothing says sellout more except...
  • They are already planning ten years of spinoffs -- tells you they are interested in nothing other than cash.  Rather than giving us a memorable story or interesting characters, they're just giving us a female Cloud and hope that keeps people interested.
  • The game has had delay after delay after delay -- It's not completely unorderinary for a game to have a delay, most do, but this one has had delay after delay after delay.  It could be for the better, but it could also be because the game is one giant clusterfuck
  • They care more about how the game looks than anything else -- Unless I'm mistaken (and I could be) just about everything told to us has been about eye candy or future spinoffs.  I don't play Final Fantasy games for eye candy, I play them for interesting characters and a good story.
  • The last few games have been bad, why would this one be good?  They could always pull a FFIX on us but you can't really expect anomalies.

 

What about FFIV Ds, that was good game. Sure it's a remake, but it's a good one.

 

FFXIII isn't a remake of a good game, it's a spinoff of a spinoff (FFXII) of a spinoff (FVIII) of a mediocre at best game (FFVII) with more spinoffs planned.

 



 

Khuutra on 24 February 2009
twesterm said:
kutasek said:

What about FFIV Ds, that was good game. Sure it's a remake, but it's a good one.

 

FFXIII isn't a remake of a good game, it's a spinoff of a spinoff (FFXII) of a spinoff (FVIII) of a mediocre at best game (FFVII) with more spinoffs planned.

Would you mind explaining that, because I'm about ready to call bullshit