The Geneva Convention may not apply to terrorists however the ICCPR does apply to them.
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm
It also has been ratified by the USA and Britain. That is the international law that has been broken.

The Geneva Convention may not apply to terrorists however the ICCPR does apply to them.
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm
It also has been ratified by the USA and Britain. That is the international law that has been broken.

| Rath said: The Geneva Convention may not apply to terrorists however the ICCPR does apply to them. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm It also has been ratified by the USA and Britain. That is the international law that has been broken. |
It hasn't been rattified by the US to my knowledge. (Via act of congress.)
After all we still have the Death Penalty which is strictly banned by it.

Kasz216 said:
It hasn't been rattified by the US to my knowledge. (Via act of congress.) After all we still have the Death Penalty which is strictly banned by it.
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Not at all
"2. In countries which have not abolished the death penalty, sentence of death may be imposed only for the most serious crimes in accordance with the law in force at the time of the commission of the crime and not contrary to the provisions of the present Covenant and to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This penalty can only be carried out pursuant to a final judgement rendered by a competent court."
It doesn't strictly ban the death penalty at all, just states how it can be used.
It was ratified by the United States Senate though.

Kasz216 said:
I think you miss my point. My point is that gas is much much more expensive... when if we invaded Iraq for oil... gas should be like... a buck a galon or some crap.
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I thought the point was that American corporations could charge through the nose for the oil, and line the pockets of their investors. Meaning that it wouldn't effect the price of oil at all.
Rath said:
Not at all "2. In countries which have not abolished the death penalty, sentence of death may be imposed only for the most serious crimes in accordance with the law in force at the time of the commission of the crime and not contrary to the provisions of the present Covenant and to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This penalty can only be carried out pursuant to a final judgement rendered by a competent court." It doesn't strictly ban the death penalty at all, just states how it can be used. It was ratified by the United States Senate though. |
It was not fully ratified. No.
(3) That the United States considers itself bound by Article 7 to the extent that "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" means the cruel and unusual treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.
In otherwords... if you don't qualify for the Fifth, Eight and Fourteenth ammendments... well...
List of other such exceptions...
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/usdocs/civilres.html
Under the way the US has ratified it... nothing in Guantanmo should have betrayed it. Legally anyway. Hence why i say they never really agreed to the law since they just said "We'll do it as we see it."

Kasz216 said:
It was not fully ratified. No. (3) That the United States considers itself bound by Article 7 to the extent that "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" means the cruel and unusual treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. In otherwords... if you don't qualify for the Fifth, Eight and Fourteenth ammendments... well... List of other such exceptions...
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/usdocs/civilres.html Under the way the US has ratified it... nothing in Guantanmo should have betrayed it. Legally anyway. Hence why i say they never really agreed to the law since they just said "We'll do it as we see it." |
so the US considers itself above international law yet feels the laws that it wont adhere to should be applied to all other nations? also lots if people in guantanomo have never faced charges or a trial, until charges are brought against them or they are convicted by a court of law you cannot call or treat them as terrorists, only terror suspects which is differnet as a suspect is innocent until proven guilty (at least thats how the system is supposed to work)
SciFiBoy said:
so the US considers itself above international law yet feels the laws that it wont adhere to should be applied to all other nations? also lots if people in guantanomo have never faced charges or a trial, until charges are brought against them or they are convicted by a court of law you cannot call or treat them as terrorists, only terror suspects which is differnet as a suspect is innocent until proven guilty (at least thats how the system is supposed to work) |
You don't seem to undestand how international law works.
Because yes. That's EXACTLY how international law works.
International Law only applies to those who agree to it.
Hence why international laws aren't real laws.

Kasz216 said:
You don't seem to undestand how international law works. Because yes. That's EXACTLY how international law works. International Law only applies to those who agree to it. |
then its not international law, surely international law should apply to all nations
SciFiBoy said:
then its not international law, surely international law should apply to all nations |
Now you understand my point.
There is no real International Law binding countries.
That said you could probably extradite Bush and specific torturers.
However they'd be the ones consdiered guilty of the crimes... not the actual country.
Since Torture is one of the very few reasons you can prosecute people from any country.

International law is a tool of the big Western powers. Everyone knows this. When they need to break them, its fine, but when someone like the Sudan or Iran breaks them, watch out, or you'll get a stern talking-to, Russia and China will veto some half-baked UN Security Council Resolution, and everything will go back to normal
International Politics is pretty much all about posturing these days. No one is in the ideal position to just overthrow the balance of power

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