| Kasz216 said: I always like when someone states something without ever bringing up any fact. Show some binding international laws the US and UK have broken. |
US: Guantanamo Bay
UK: Detention without trial, EU ruled today that 11 people were held illegally here
SciFiBoy said:
US: Guantanamo Bay |
What international law?
Kasz216 said:
What international law?
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UN Human Rights laws, please dont tell me you think torturing people who may well have commited no crime is ok
SciFiBoy said:
UN Human Rights laws, please dont tell me you think torturing people who may well have commited no crime is ok
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Well you proved my point. You didn't even pick the right alleged laws that are being alledged.
Now the ICCP has been alledged... but as far as i know the US has never ratified that through congress.
The ICCP doesn't even allow capital punishment.
invading Iraq was legal ? or was it too long ago that u couldn't remember it?
Kasz216 said:
Well you proved my point. You didn't even pick the right alleged laws that are being alledged. |
wtf? so you are you saying you dont agree with EU and UN laws on wars and human rights?
SciFiBoy said:
wtf? so you are you saying you dont agree with EU and UN laws on wars and human rights?
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I think this should end this argument
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5
" Rebellion Against Tyrants Is Obedience To God"
| yanamaster said: Aww for crying out loud, i figured everyone would have already guessed by this point that law is a tool freely used by the powerful to achieve their goals. Going into the middle east was about getting access to oil. Enforcing the law was only a cheap excuse to do so. Remember this well, justice is achievable only as far as it doesn't get in the way of this worlds most important people and countries. |
Great point, lets not forget that those important people are willing to do or "Stage" anything in order to achieve their goals
" Rebellion Against Tyrants Is Obedience To God"
What's the point for fighting for rights when you aren't willing to protect them when they actually matter?
Its like me offering you a job and then taking it away when the economy is bad.
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SciFiBoy said:
wtf? so you are you saying you dont agree with EU and UN laws on wars and human rights?
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No. I'm saying you don't even know what laws you are quoting.
International law only applies to countires who have ratified them.
The closest law that you could say applies is the Genvea convention.
Although i'm sure a lot of people would argue that the Genvea convention isn't appliable since terrorists would neither qualify under the the 3rd or 4th divisions.
Neither as enemy combatants nor regular citizens.
Outside of Enemy Combatants, Regular Citzens and Medics there are no Geneva rules. Though people have tried to recently broaden it out by claiming that there is nothing but these three classifications.
However such a distinction didn't exist in the past as examples can be sited.
"Unlawful combatants" have been a US distinction since World War 2.
Was it great? No. It's another outrage that was created by FDR. (Not Bush as people like to think.)
However it isn't anything that actually broke international law then... and is only seen to now because people want to expand the law through judiciary action instead of through actual lawmaking.
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