Final-Fan said: nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: Shooting is slower in KZ2 due to lack of HDD install? What are you smoking? I said it was a possible trade off.  Rather than cache a lot of data and make the game respond faster with a hard drive install, they chose to run it all off the disc.  Could reasonably be the cause of the slightly longer than normal delay. I guess if you didn't understand this, then perhaps you are the one who needs to lay off the mary jane and let that brain gane back some function. Oh, I understand the concept -- and find your hypothesis laughable. Once you GANE some evidence, let me know.

I didn't realize I needed to supply evidence for a "possible" answer, or hypothesis as you so rightly call it.  I don't see what is so laughable about it either.  What I find laughable is the fact that you simply dismiss it with a crude attempt at humor rather than supply evidence, yourself, to the contrary.

they only noticed because of the incessent whining. I only noticed because of that.

Your last sentence goes for yourself aswell. Especially when making such remarks as you did above ^in your argument towards a reason why it is like it is. It's not even a remote possibility.

nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: Shooting is slower in KZ2 due to lack of HDD install? What are you smoking? I said it was a possible trade off.  Rather than cache a lot of data and make the game respond faster with a hard drive install, they chose to run it all off the disc.  Could reasonably be the cause of the slightly longer than normal delay. I guess if you didn't understand this, then perhaps you are the one who needs to lay off the mary jane and let that brain gane back some function. Oh, I understand the concept -- and find your hypothesis laughable. Once you GANE some evidence, let me know. I didn't realize I needed to supply evidence for a "possible" answer, or hypothesis as you so rightly call it.  I don't see what is so laughable about it either.  What I find laughable is the fact that you simply dismiss it with a crude attempt at humor rather than supply evidence, yourself, to the contrary.

How does it make ANY sense for them to have such a commonly triggered event read off the disc, as opposed to some other thing?  I don't mean evidence in the sense of producing documents in which the devs confess, but rather I mean that your idea is so strange that you need to have more than handwaving to substantiate it before you should expect anyone to take it seriously. 

I don't know a thing about making games, but I still think I know enough to call BS on your hypothesis. 

Final-Fan said: nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: Shooting is slower in KZ2 due to lack of HDD install? What are you smoking? I said it was a possible trade off.  Rather than cache a lot of data and make the game respond faster with a hard drive install, they chose to run it all off the disc.  Could reasonably be the cause of the slightly longer than normal delay. I guess if you didn't understand this, then perhaps you are the one who needs to lay off the mary jane and let that brain gane back some function. Oh, I understand the concept -- and find your hypothesis laughable. Once you GANE some evidence, let me know. I didn't realize I needed to supply evidence for a "possible" answer, or hypothesis as you so rightly call it.  I don't see what is so laughable about it either.  What I find laughable is the fact that you simply dismiss it with a crude attempt at humor rather than supply evidence, yourself, to the contrary. How does it make ANY sense for them to have such a commonly triggered event read off the disc, as opposed to some other thing?  I don't mean evidence in the sense of producing documents in which the devs confess, but rather I mean that your idea is so strange that you need to have more than handwaving to substantiate it before you should expect anyone to take it seriously.  I don't know a thing about making games, but I still think I know enough to call BS on your hypothesis.

If the even is not read off the disc, where is the event at?  In the air?  Perhaps under your feet?  Obviously they chose to put the code/animations/etc. responsible for "firing" the gun in a location that could not be accessed in a fast enough way.

I'd think with my knowledge of programming, especially event driven and object oriented, I'd be able to make a more educated guess as to the cause than say, You, who have no knowledge of programming.  Unfortunately you do NOT know enough to call BS, apparently.

Really?  I noticed from the very first time I pulled the trigger.  Even before watching the videos on the "lag" I had seen it first hand.  How can you say it isn't a remote possibility?  I didn't realize you were behind all the code involved and could check for the source of errors on this game.  While you are there, can you tell me what IS causing it then?

If you would think for one second. You would realise that you have to INSTALL the demo. That means that everything. Yes everything reads from your harddrive. That rules out the possibility that it was stored on the disc in some akward place and that somehow it wasn't being read properly.

Secondly it's still not on the actual game which is on a disc so i would simply assume that it's the build, since the build is from 2008. The demo is a unfinished build so "bugs" are present. I still don't see it as a issue though.

But your whole argumentation is for naught cause again. You have the demo 100 percent on your harddrive.

*facepalm*  Wow... I seriously did overthink that for a while.  I guess the only explanation then is that the location for which the event was stored and the code used to trigger it, were not in an ideal configuration.  I am glad to hear it is not on the final product, though.  Now it is just the momentary stutters during checkpoints/loading on the final product, but that is normal for a non-installed game.

I'm gonna get a hounding for this one for sure...

nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: nightsurge said: Final-Fan said: Shooting is slower in KZ2 due to lack of HDD install? What are you smoking? I said it was a possible trade off.  Rather than cache a lot of data and make the game respond faster with a hard drive install, they chose to run it all off the disc.  Could reasonably be the cause of the slightly longer than normal delay. I guess if you didn't understand this, then perhaps you are the one who needs to lay off the mary jane and let that brain gane back some function. Oh, I understand the concept -- and find your hypothesis laughable. Once you GANE some evidence, let me know. I didn't realize I needed to supply evidence for a "possible" answer, or hypothesis as you so rightly call it.  I don't see what is so laughable about it either.  What I find laughable is the fact that you simply dismiss it with a crude attempt at humor rather than supply evidence, yourself, to the contrary. How does it make ANY sense for them to have such a commonly triggered event read off the disc, as opposed to some other thing?  I don't mean evidence in the sense of producing documents in which the devs confess, but rather I mean that your idea is so strange that you need to have more than handwaving to substantiate it before you should expect anyone to take it seriously.  I don't know a thing about making games, but I still think I know enough to call BS on your hypothesis.  If the even is not read off the disc, where is the event at?  In the air?  Perhaps under your feet?  Obviously they chose to put the code/animations/etc. responsible for "firing" the gun in a location that could not be accessed in a fast enough way. I'd think with my knowledge of programming, especially event driven and object oriented, I'd be able to make a more educated guess as to the cause than say, You, who have no knowledge of programming.  Unfortunately you do NOT know enough to call BS, apparently.

Held in memory perhaps?  As for the rest, I think Staude has put the nail in this coffin.  Next time a little less sarcasm might be a little more prudent.  Although if my hypothesis in this post is as ludicrous as yours was, please do point it out. 

R1 vs R2 would have been better due to same developer etc. KZ2 controls however are perfectly fine. They are as responsive as needed. I have had no issues in the DEMO and from what I have read they are better in the final build.

I do apologize, Final-Fan. My mind is out of it today with this dang flu and lack of sleep, though that is still no excuse for my major oversight.

I was merely stating that the code first has to be read from the disk. Whether or not it is cached to the memory or the hard drive is dependent on how they chose to program it. But in the end I was clearly arguing for the sake of argument and because of my shortened temper lately.