Stargate FTW!

Sure. Probably anyway.

It's just funny because of how much we get rid of Darwinism so to speak due to our ability to create tools.

It would be interesting to see how that will eventually bite us in the ass.

Idocracy does a funny job doing that.... despite starring one of the Wilson brothers.

Neat article I read a couple days ago.

Researchers: Human Evolution Speeding Up
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/10/AR2007121001235.html?nav=rss_nation

I'd argue that there is a very good reason Darwin wrote that... not related to actually believing it was true.

I think it was more a case of how he didn't even want to publish his theories at all, and only did because someoen else was going to beat him to it anyway.

He was very aware of the predujidces people have when it comes to well.... people.

Note that he even avoids mentioning people in his early works.

 Micro-Evolution and Macro-Evolution cannot be seperated. Think about it. lol

No Scientist can be "right" they can just be more correct then their peers. His theories haven't completely stood up to the test of time but his ideas certainly have. He was catalyst for a scientific revolution. That is why he's remembered.

And yes I don't believe in creationism, or God. But I've always believed its not a good idea to mix theology with science. They are completely difference areas of thought.

There is a reason why almost no schools out there teach anything other than Darwinian evolution, including Intelligent Design. Its because even Intelligent Design theorists have yet to put forth any plausible reasons why Darwinian evolution proper is insufficient to explain the evolution of life.

Pure Darwinists and many of the strongest Intelligent Design proponents argued in a courtroom when people tried to block ID from being taught in schools. The case the ID people put on was laughable, and the judge blocked ID from being taught in the school:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/

HARRISBURG, Pa. - In one of the biggest courtroom clashes between faith and evolution since the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, a federal judge barred a Pennsylvania public school district Tuesday from teaching “intelligent design” in biology class, saying the concept is creationism in disguise.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones delivered a stinging attack on the Dover Area School Board, saying its first-in-the-nation decision in October 2004 to insert intelligent design into the science curriculum violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

The ruling was a major setback to the intelligent design movement, which is also waging battles in Georgia and Kansas. Intelligent design holds that living organisms are so complex that they must have been created by some kind of higher force.

Jones decried the “breathtaking inanity” of the Dover policy and accused several board members of lying to conceal their true motive, which he said was to promote religion.

A six-week trial over the issue yielded “overwhelming evidence” establishing that intelligent design “is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory,” said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago.

The school system said it will probably not appeal the ruling, because the members who backed intelligent design were ousted in November’s elections and replaced with a new slate opposed to the policy.

During the trial, the board argued that it was trying improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution and natural selection.

The policy required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade lessons on evolution. The statement said Darwin’s theory is “not a fact” and has inexplicable “gaps.” It referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, “Of Pandas and People.”

But the judge said: “We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom.”

The disclaimer, he said, "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource and instructs students to forgo scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."

In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states cannot require public schools to balance evolution lessons by teaching creationism

Eric Rothschild, an attorney for the families who challenged the policy, called the ruling “a real vindication for the parents who had the courage to stand up and say there was something wrong in their school district.”

Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which represented the school district and describes its mission as defending the religious freedom of Christians, said: “What this really looks like is an ad hominem attack on scientists who happen to believe in God.”

It was the latest chapter in a debate over the teaching of evolution dating back to the Scopes trial, in which Tennessee biology teacher John T. Scopes was fined $100 for violating a state law against teaching evolution.
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Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether a suburban Atlanta school district had the right to put stickers on biology textbooks describing evolution as a theory, not fact. A federal judge last January ordered the stickers removed.

In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question.

President Bush also weighed in on the issue of intelligent design recently, saying schools should present the concept when teaching about the origins of life.

‘ID is not science’
In his ruling, Jones said that while intelligent design, or ID, arguments “may be true, a proposition on which the court takes no position, ID is not science.” Among other things, he said intelligent design “violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation”; it relies on “flawed and illogical” arguments; and its attacks on evolution “have been refuted by the scientific community.”

“The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources,” he wrote.

Jones wrote that he wasn’t saying the intelligent design concept shouldn’t be studied and discussed, saying its advocates “have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors.”

But, he wrote, “our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom.”

The judge also said: “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.”

Former school board member William Buckingham, who advanced the policy, said from his new home in Mount Airy, N.C., that he still feels the board did the right thing.

‘We were robbed’
“I’m still waiting for a judge or anyone to show me anywhere in the Constitution where there’s a separation of church and state,” he said. “We didn’t lose; we were robbed.”

The controversy divided Dover and surrounding Dover Township, a rural area of nearly 20,000 residents about 20 miles south of Harrisburg. It galvanized voters to oust eight school board members who supported the policy in the Nov. 8 school board election. The ninth board member was not up for re-election.

The new school board president, Bernadette Reinking, said the board intends to remove intelligent design from the science curriculum and place it in an elective social studies class.

“As far as I can tell you, there is no intent to appeal,” she said.

The old board's actions may still have an impact, however. Jones also ruled that the school board would have to pay the plaintiffs’ legal fees, which are not insignificant. Plaintiffs' attorney Rothschild said compensation would be sought despite the turnover on the board, but that the cost was still being tallied. “We’ll sort out who we might pursue for this remedy in the days ahead,” he said.

Smelly ape to smelly human doesn't seem that far off to me.

Nope. I do not think Darwin's theories are correct.

Yes they can. The diversification of a subspieces (such as various breeds of dogs) is observable, and rather easy. However, it's a little bit tougher to observe evolution at the species, genus, family, order, class, phylum and kingdom. The further you go back, the fewer records we have.

The issue is that many Darwinists/Evolutionists take is that 'well, since we can see evolution between subspecies of dogs, it must mean that we evolved from inorganic matter!' - despite the fact that such a claim is very, very implausible.

Oh, hey, Akuma, if ID is such a waste of time, mind telling me how the universe began? And exactly what theory should we teach in classrooms, then?