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Cheebee on 12 February 2009
Strategyking92 said:
Cheebee said:
But, but... the aliens! The aliens, man! We were all brought here by aliens, it's true! Don't y'all know?? C'mon, even John Travolta knows! Scientology man, Darwin knew nothing about that.

Unless scientology believes in time-travel psi-borgs, they are wrong. But hey, they might

They probably do believe in those too. :p After all, Tom Cruise, John Tavolta and Katie Holmes CAN'T be wrong, can they? I mean, they're moviestars! Scientology! We're all aliens!



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JaggedSac on 12 February 2009
Rath said:
JaggedSac said:
Rath, are you saying Darwinism did not influence Eugenics? That is a bold claim.

 

No I was providing evidence of how badly Stein misrepresented Darwins position on Eugenics. I made no comment at all on my personal position on the subject.

First off, the movie wasn't about how Darwin's ideas influenced Eugenics(although there is no doubt about that fact), it was about the fact that the scientific community shuns ID.  Secondly, the portions of that quote that were left out do not deny Darwin's ideas that helping the weak produces a lesser whole.  But that in order for there to be no helping of the weak, it would be evil.  Darwin believed that helping the weak and genetically inferior would produce a weaker whole, but that in order for us to not help these people, or prevent the well being of these people, it would be evil.  The only thing that that quote shows us, is that Darwin would think the Nazis were evil, or the concept of Eugenics were evil.   He would agree with the Nazis that Eugenics would have provided a stronger genetic whole though.

The movie was about the freedom and sharing of ideas in science, not a closing off.

 



Rath on 12 February 2009
JaggedSac said:

First off, the movie wasn't about how Darwin's ideas influenced Eugenics(although there is no doubt about that fact), it was about the fact that the scientific community shuns ID.  Secondly, the portions of that quote that were left out do not deny Darwin's ideas that helping the weak produces a lesser whole.  But that in order for there to be no helping of the weak, it would be evil.  Darwin believed that helping the weak and genetically inferior would produce a weaker whole, but that in order for us to not help these people, or prevent the well being of these people, it would be evil.  The only thing that that quote shows us, is that Darwin would think the Nazis were evil, or the concept of Eugenics were evil.   He would agree with the Nazis that Eugenics would have provided a stronger genetic whole though.

The movie was about the freedom and sharing of ideas in science, not a closing off.

 

 

It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself

Clearly Darwin believed that man was an exception to that rule, in a part that Stein cut out. Completely misquoting somebody in order to give the exact opposite of what the quote was about is terribly misinformative, I don't see how you can deny that.

In any case thats not the only piece of bad journalism in the movie. Just read through the wikipedia article (and its sources) if you want an idea of the other major problems with the film. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled



Strategyking92 on 12 February 2009
Rath said:
JaggedSac said:

First off, the movie wasn't about how Darwin's ideas influenced Eugenics(although there is no doubt about that fact), it was about the fact that the scientific community shuns ID.  Secondly, the portions of that quote that were left out do not deny Darwin's ideas that helping the weak produces a lesser whole.  But that in order for there to be no helping of the weak, it would be evil.  Darwin believed that helping the weak and genetically inferior would produce a weaker whole, but that in order for us to not help these people, or prevent the well being of these people, it would be evil.  The only thing that that quote shows us, is that Darwin would think the Nazis were evil, or the concept of Eugenics were evil.   He would agree with the Nazis that Eugenics would have provided a stronger genetic whole though.

The movie was about the freedom and sharing of ideas in science, not a closing off.

 


It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself

 

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appolose on 12 February 2009

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JaggedSac on 12 February 2009
Rath said:
JaggedSac said:

First off, the movie wasn't about how Darwin's ideas influenced Eugenics(although there is no doubt about that fact), it was about the fact that the scientific community shuns ID.  Secondly, the portions of that quote that were left out do not deny Darwin's ideas that helping the weak produces a lesser whole.  But that in order for there to be no helping of the weak, it would be evil.  Darwin believed that helping the weak and genetically inferior would produce a weaker whole, but that in order for us to not help these people, or prevent the well being of these people, it would be evil.  The only thing that that quote shows us, is that Darwin would think the Nazis were evil, or the concept of Eugenics were evil.   He would agree with the Nazis that Eugenics would have provided a stronger genetic whole though.

The movie was about the freedom and sharing of ideas in science, not a closing off.

 

 

It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself

Clearly Darwin believed that man was an exception to that rule, in a part that Stein cut out. Completely misquoting somebody in order to give the exact opposite of what the quote was about is terribly misinformative, I don't see how you can deny that.

In any case thats not the only piece of bad journalism in the movie. Just read through the wikipedia article (and its sources) if you want an idea of the other major problems with the film. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled

The second paragraph, of that Darwin quote, is Darwin's explaination of why the human race defies natural selection and propogates inferior genetics, and gives his thought that to fight this part of our nature would be evil.  Upon looking at the link you gave, even the wikipedia page that you copied this quote from says the same thing as me.

"He omits the part where Darwin insists this would be "evil" and that man's care for the weak is "the noblest part of our nature."

But yes, it appears that he did not include all of the quote.  This neither helps nor hurts the point of the movie though.


 

 



non-gravity on 12 February 2009
Cheebee said:
Strategyking92 said:
Cheebee said:
But, but... the aliens! The aliens, man! We were all brought here by aliens, it's true! Don't y'all know?? C'mon, even John Travolta knows! Scientology man, Darwin knew nothing about that.

Unless scientology believes in time-travel psi-borgs, they are wrong. But hey, they might

They probably do believe in those too. :p After all, Tom Cruise, John Tavolta and Katie Holmes CAN'T be wrong, can they? I mean, they're moviestars! Scientology! We're all aliens!

If we're all aliens, no-one is an alien. But you can still be afraid 

 



Strategyking92 on 12 February 2009
non-gravity said:
Cheebee said:
Strategyking92 said:
Cheebee said:
But, but... the aliens! The aliens, man! We were all brought here by aliens, it's true! Don't y'all know?? C'mon, even John Travolta knows! Scientology man, Darwin knew nothing about that.

Unless scientology believes in time-travel psi-borgs, they are wrong. But hey, they might

They probably do believe in those too. :p After all, Tom Cruise, John Tavolta and Katie Holmes CAN'T be wrong, can they? I mean, they're moviestars! Scientology! We're all aliens!

If we're all aliens, no-one is an alien. But you can still be afraid 

 

 

Maybe YOU all are aliens. Maybe only I should be afraid.



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non-gravity on 12 February 2009
Strategyking92 said:
non-gravity said:
Cheebee said:
Strategyking92 said:
Cheebee said:
But, but... the aliens! The aliens, man! We were all brought here by aliens, it's true! Don't y'all know?? C'mon, even John Travolta knows! Scientology man, Darwin knew nothing about that.

Unless scientology believes in time-travel psi-borgs, they are wrong. But hey, they might

They probably do believe in those too. :p After all, Tom Cruise, John Tavolta and Katie Holmes CAN'T be wrong, can they? I mean, they're moviestars! Scientology! We're all aliens!

If we're all aliens, no-one is an alien. But you can still be afraid 

 

 

Maybe YOU all are aliens. Maybe only I should be afraid.

Ow so now everything is about you. I should watch my back if I were you. We're watching (and so are the time-traveling psi-borgs)

 



halogamer1989 on 12 February 2009
non-gravity said:
Strategyking92 said:
non-gravity said:
Cheebee said:
Strategyking92 said:
Cheebee said:
But, but... the aliens! The aliens, man! We were all brought here by aliens, it's true! Don't y'all know?? C'mon, even John Travolta knows! Scientology man, Darwin knew nothing about that.

Unless scientology believes in time-travel psi-borgs, they are wrong. But hey, they might

They probably do believe in those too. :p After all, Tom Cruise, John Tavolta and Katie Holmes CAN'T be wrong, can they? I mean, they're moviestars! Scientology! We're all aliens!

If we're all aliens, no-one is an alien. But you can still be afraid 

 

 

Maybe YOU all are aliens. Maybe only I should be afraid.

Ow so now everything is about you. I should watch my back if I were you. We're watching (and so are the time-traveling psi-borgs)

 

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