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Strategyking92 on 12 February 2009
super_etecoon said:
largedarryl said:
Bursche said:
emilie autumn said:
evolution through adaptation is the only logical solution to life existance as we know it, unless you believe theres a God

 

 You can't have both? What if God placed the ability to adapt in us, knowing how the patterns of our environments would always change? Why can't there be a middle ground instead of the extreme left or right and no middle?

That is exactly right, there is nothing in the fundamental theory of evolution that discounts Intelligent Design.  Both theories could be put together very easily (and logically).

 

Assuming the existence of God...which isn't logic, but rather, faith.

 

 

 

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largedarryl on 12 February 2009
super_etecoon said:
largedarryl said:
Bursche said:
emilie autumn said:
evolution through adaptation is the only logical solution to life existance as we know it, unless you believe theres a God

 

 You can't have both? What if God placed the ability to adapt in us, knowing how the patterns of our environments would always change? Why can't there be a middle ground instead of the extreme left or right and no middle?

That is exactly right, there is nothing in the fundamental theory of evolution that discounts Intelligent Design.  Both theories could be put together very easily (and logically).

 

Assuming the existence of God...which isn't logic, but rather, faith.

 

 

Although the roots of Intelligent Design originate in religous belief, but there is nothing in my post that refers to Intelligent Design as an act of God (and in any logical theory based around ID, should also discount infallible beings as the creators/designers).

 

EDIT: damn, strategy beat me to it :(

 



emilie autumn on 12 February 2009
super_etecoon said:
largedarryl said:
Bursche said:
emilie autumn said:
evolution through adaptation is the only logical solution to life existance as we know it, unless you believe theres a God

 

 You can't have both? What if God placed the ability to adapt in us, knowing how the patterns of our environments would always change? Why can't there be a middle ground instead of the extreme left or right and no middle?

That is exactly right, there is nothing in the fundamental theory of evolution that discounts Intelligent Design.  Both theories could be put together very easily (and logically).

 

Assuming the existence of God...which isn't logic, but rather, faith.

 

 

exaclty, there is no scientific explanation to God, sometines i believe humans ourself created him as a sort of manner to explain unexplainable things, but now with our modern advancements is there a need for a God.

 



 

super_etecoon on 12 February 2009

C'mon fellas....I was simply getting that whole "Intelligent Design is logical" point clarified.  Not that it's wrong.



largedarryl on 12 February 2009
emilie autumn said:
Bursche said:
emilie autumn said:
evolution through adaptation is the only logical solution to life existance as we know it, unless you believe theres a God

 

 You can't have both? What if God placed the ability to adapt in us, knowing how the patterns of our environments would always change? Why can't there be a middle ground instead of the extreme left or right and no middle?

 

yes, god may have placed such an ability in us, but the thing is not only humans are the ones that adapt and evolve through time. we started as an unicelular organisms and through time and changes in the enviroment we evolved, still there exists in this world unicelular organisms that haven't evolved since their existance, that brings up more questions as if they don't evolve ¿are they perfect? ¿were they moleculy different but adapted perfectly to every enviroment? i believe in god and the scientific explanation involves such random sequences of events, but maybe god planed everything to be like these.

What proof do you have that present day micro-organisms have not evolved ever?

 



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Rath on 12 February 2009

I think Darwin was wrong on many counts, his theory of evolution was incomplete and is now outdated.

However I have huge respect for him because he is essentially the father of evolution, he started the idea that has lead to modern biology being what it is.

@JaggedSac, there are better resources out there for ID than Expelled. Expelled was a ridiculously bad with its journalistic integrity. The creators lied to interviewees, hugely misquoted and misrepresented things and basically made a mockery of the entire thing.

Also I don't understand how ID can not be seen as creationism. ID never attempts to explain the 'Who created the creator' problem, creationism answers this by saying 'nobody', evolution answers it by saying 'what creator?' but ID leaves it entirely blank.



JaggedSac on 12 February 2009
Rath said:
I think Darwin was wrong on many counts, his theory of evolution was incomplete and is now outdated.

However I have huge respect for him because he is essentially the father of evolution, he started the idea that has lead to modern biology being what it is.

@JaggedSac, there are better resources out there for ID than Expelled. Expelled was a ridiculously bad with its journalistic integrity. The creators lied to interviewees, hugely misquoted and misrepresented things and basically made a mockery of the entire thing.

Also I don't understand how ID can not be seen as creationism. ID never attempts to explain the 'Who created the creator' problem, creationism answers this by saying 'nobody', evolution answers it by saying 'what creator?' but ID leaves it entirely blank.

There are many possible whos.  Creatures that came before us, not originating from this planer, being the main one.  Could you provide some concrete details on the things you say Expelled did?  Stein was not really for or against either side, so why would they provide a biased view?  He was just saying that people who have valid scientific ideals about ID should not be shunned, mocked, and reprimanded by the scientific community.  Until the day that someone comes out with a valid and provable scientific explanation on how life originated on our planet, ID should be given due process.  I am in no way a believer in god, but that in no way means I do not have ideas on how Intelligent Design can be valid.

And yes, even if there were aliens that created us, they would have to have started somewhere.  But, if you concede that point, it makes the research of Intelligent Design valid.  Because knowing that information would be jsut as big, if not bigger than the idea that WE started from nothing.

 



akuma587 on 12 February 2009
halogamer1989 said:

I could activate inactive genes in an emu and turn it into a veloceraptor like creature but that does not mean velociraptors evolved from emus.  What about the ancient Ice Age pyramids with grey alien research, Von Daniken, etc. ;)

 

So you don't find it at all striking that humans have the same type of hereditary storage medium (DNA) that over 99.9% of the organisms on the planet (including bacteria) also have?  If God is all powerful, couldn't he have created man through evolution, made fish walk on land, and make life out of inert organisms (primary abiogenesis theory)?

Couldn't God have just set the laws of the universe in motion and allowed everything to play out as he wanted, without actively intervening in the process?

 



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Strategyking92 on 12 February 2009
emilie autumn said:
super_etecoon said:
largedarryl said:
Bursche said:
emilie autumn said:
evolution through adaptation is the only logical solution to life existance as we know it, unless you believe theres a God

 

 You can't have both? What if God placed the ability to adapt in us, knowing how the patterns of our environments would always change? Why can't there be a middle ground instead of the extreme left or right and no middle?

That is exactly right, there is nothing in the fundamental theory of evolution that discounts Intelligent Design.  Both theories could be put together very easily (and logically).

 

Assuming the existence of God...which isn't logic, but rather, faith.

 

 

exaclty, there is no scientific explanation to God, sometines i believe humans ourself created him as a sort of manner to explain unexplainable things, but now with our modern advancements is there a need for a God.

 

 

For some people there kind of is.. You know, that whole hell thing. But mostly just moral guidance. Without the fear of what goes around comes around, people can be immoral as they possibly want. But I guess you could argue that happens anyway with law enforcement etc. Soon enough, people will be more machine than human, and the human resistance will be fighting the psi-borgs from the mountains. And then, they will discover a time portal, and travel to the past where they will garner the support of the ancient romans from that period, and train them to fight the psi-borgs who are making their way through the time portal after discovering it. How did it end? We do not know yet.



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halogamer1989 on 12 February 2009
akuma587 said:
halogamer1989 said:

I could activate inactive genes in an emu and turn it into a veloceraptor like creature but that does not mean velociraptors evolved from emus.  What about the ancient Ice Age pyramids with grey alien research, Von Daniken, etc. ;)

 

So you don't find it at all striking that humans have the same type of hereditary storage medium (DNA) that over 99.9% of the organisms on the planet (including bacteria) also have?  If God is all powerful, couldn't he have created man through evolution, made fish walk on land, and make life out of inert organisms (primary abiogenesis theory)?

Couldn't God have just set the laws of the universe in motion and allowed everything to play out as he wanted, without actively intervening in the process?

 

Yes but that is not how it is written.  Make things complicated and you complicate your own life.  God could have done many  things including created many other worlds with greys, greens, and cigar-smoking bacteria (I doubt this one) but it is not how it was in Gen.

 

Akuma, suggestion, off-topic: Listen to Simple Man by Skynard.  You seem uptight all the time