Yet directed pansmermia is a hypothesis. Kind of does away with your argument that ID is a statement, not a hypothesis, since panspermia usually infers that the seeding was done by more than nature.

mrstickball said: Yet directed pansmermia is a hypothesis. Kind of does away with your argument that ID is a statement, not a hypothesis, since panspermia usually infers that the seeding was done by more than nature.

For the love of, just watch the damn Nova Episode. It will save me alot of time going over an argument that took place years ago with people on both sides demonstrably more specialized than you or I.

As for the actual Pansmermia article, did you read it? Do you know what science is?

Here's the difference. Pansmermia is a hypothesis, there are predictions, and experiments ongoing. There is nothing supernatural or metaphysical or beyond explanation involved.

ID has no experiments, research, ect ongoing. There are no testable predictions. It is nothing but metaphysical and is by definition beyond explanation. It is not science. Philosophy? Sure. Religion? Definitely. Science? Not even close.

The_vagabond7 said: mrstickball said: Yet directed pansmermia is a hypothesis. Kind of does away with your argument that ID is a statement, not a hypothesis, since panspermia usually infers that the seeding was done by more than nature. For the love of, just watch the damn Nova Episode. It will save me alot of time going over an argument that took place years ago with people on both sides demonstrably more specialized than you or I.

I can't I am on a cell phone. And to address the problems people have with Expelled, these are the same problems you get from any information you recieve other than first hand. All information goes through biased filters that alter the content. Newspapers, tv news, etc. Every single documentary about a subject with more than one point of view will have used the same tricks of the trade to reinforce their viewpoint. Expelled just so happened to have angered liberals. And as we all know, liberals own the media. Any Michael Moore documentary uses the same tricks as Expelled.

Did you even read that I mentioned directed panspermia?

I apologize that the 1st link was only panspermia. Directed panspermia is a subset of that hypothesis: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/D/dirpans.html

The_vagabond7 said: As for the actual Pansmermia article, did you read it? Do you know what science is? Here's the difference. Pansmermia is a hypothesis, there are predictions, and experiments ongoing. There is nothing supernatural or metaphysical or beyond explanation involved. ID has no experiments, research, ect ongoing. There are no testable predictions. It is nothing but metaphysical and is by definition beyond explanation. It is not science. Philosophy? Sure. Religion? Definitely. Science? Not even close.

Panspermia would fall under ID. All panspermia states is that something seeded our planet with life, intentionally or unintentionally. This can be tested, but not with current technology. A large portion of the galaxy would need to be reached.

JaggedSac said: The_vagabond7 said: mrstickball said: Yet directed pansmermia is a hypothesis. Kind of does away with your argument that ID is a statement, not a hypothesis, since panspermia usually infers that the seeding was done by more than nature.   For the love of, just watch the damn Nova Episode. It will save me alot of time going over an argument that took place years ago with people on both sides demonstrably more specialized than you or I.   I can't I am on a cell phone. And to address the problems people have with Expelled, these are the same problems you get from any information you recieve other than first hand. All information goes through biased filters that alter the content. Newspapers, tv news, etc. Every single documentary about a subject with more than one point of view will have used the same tricks of the trade to reinforce their viewpoint. Expelled just so happened to have angered liberals. And as we all know, liberals own the media. Any Michael Moore documentary uses the same tricks as Expelled.

 

My comment to watch the Nova special was more directed at Mr. Stickball that is trying to argue things that were settled years ago in great detail.

I wouldn't recomend a Michael Moore Movie to anyone either. Propoganda is propoganda regardless of the source. And even most liberals will say Michael Moore is propoganda. Just because some extremists believe him, doesn't make using his movies for anything legitimate ok. And saying "Alot of things we're told are slanted" isn't a very good justification for quoting something that is extremely slanted and provable undeniably documented wrong. Saying "the news program I watched had an overly negative view of Unions" doesn't justify bringing something michael moore said into a legitimate arguement. Saying "We'll we hear alot of things that are untrue, so let's just swallow some more for the hell of it" isn't very convincing.

 Read the wiki on Expelled. It isn't that it's slanted, it's that it's outright deceptive.

The_vagabond7 said:   My comment to watch the Nova special was more directed at Mr. Stickball that is trying to argue things that were settled years ago in great detail. I wouldn't recomend a Michael Moore Movie to anyone either. Propoganda is propoganda regardless of the source. And even most liberals will say Michael Moore is propoganda. Just because some extremists believe him, doesn't make using his movies for anything legitimate ok. And saying "Alot of things we're told are slanted" isn't a very good justification for quoting something that is extremely slanted and provable undeniably documented wrong. Saying "the news program I watched had an overly negative view of Unions" doesn't justify bringing something michael moore said into a legitimate arguement. Saying "We'll we hear alot of things that are untrue, so let's just swallow some more for the hell of it" isn't very convincing. Read the wiki on Expelled. It isn't that it's slanted, it's that it's outright deceptive.

To be honest, I didn't quote Expelled.  I just said there was a movie made about this topic.  I can't watch the video, but how did they settle panspermia?  It seems to me the only thing they can now do with current technology is to give probabilities as to the unlikely nature of it happening.

"directed panspermia" doesn't appear to be a respected or legitimate science either. It clearly falls under ID, and I can only find articles on Creationwiki or conservopedia or other random sites. And Directed Panspermia doesn't seem to be a field of research, so much as it was some guy's idea that never panned out. So yeah, ID is about on the same level of Directed Panspermia. Neither should be taught in schools, and neither are taught in schools.

JaggedSac said: The_vagabond7 said:   My comment to watch the Nova special was more directed at Mr. Stickball that is trying to argue things that were settled years ago in great detail. I wouldn't recomend a Michael Moore Movie to anyone either. Propoganda is propoganda regardless of the source. And even most liberals will say Michael Moore is propoganda. Just because some extremists believe him, doesn't make using his movies for anything legitimate ok. And saying "Alot of things we're told are slanted" isn't a very good justification for quoting something that is extremely slanted and provable undeniably documented wrong. Saying "the news program I watched had an overly negative view of Unions" doesn't justify bringing something michael moore said into a legitimate arguement. Saying "We'll we hear alot of things that are untrue, so let's just swallow some more for the hell of it" isn't very convincing. Read the wiki on Expelled. It isn't that it's slanted, it's that it's outright deceptive. To be honest, I didn't quote Expelled.  I just said there was a movie made about this topic.  I can't watch the video, but how did they settle panspermia?  It seems to me the only thing they can now do with current technology is to give probabilities as to the unlikely nature of it happening.

They haven't "settled" it so to speak, but the tests done haven't been terribly favorable. I'll quote a small section about how they are doing experiments and testing.

 

"After enduring a 12-day orbital mission and a fiery reentry, an unmanned spacecraft, Foton-M3, awaits retrieval in a field in Kazakhstan. The 5,500-pound capsule, seven-feet in diameter, housed experiments testing the lithopanspermia theory. The capsule contained, among other things, lichen that were exposed to the radiation of space. Scientists also strapped basalt and granite disks riddled with cyanobacteria to the capsule's heat shield to see if the microorganisms could survive the brutal conditions of reentry. This batch didn't arrive alive but the scientists believe that it was at a disadvantage.

"When compared to a real meteorite," says Rene Demets, the European Space Agency's coordinator for space biological experiments for this mission, "the heat penetrates quite deeply into our test samples".^[47]

Future experiments

The Living Interplanetary Flight Experiment, which is being developed by the Planetary Society, will consist of sending selected microorganisms on a three-year interplanetary round-trip in a small capsule aboard the Russian Phobos-Grunt spacecraft in 2009. The goal is to test whether organisms can survive for years in deep space. The experiment will test one aspect of transpermia, the hypothesis that life could survive space travel, if protected inside rocks blasted by impact off one planet to land on another.^"

 

Not successful, but notice to all that they are actually doing some kind of testing and research, have predictions, criteria that need to be met and ways of testing said predictions and if it is proved impossible it will be thrown by the wayside. That's how science works.

 

As for Expelled, that's fine that you didn't quote it. I just don't like it when people try to give the movie legitimacy. I would do the same for Michael Moore Movies. Whenever you get home, check out it's wiki article. All of the scientists that were "expelled" for their beliefs are listed on the site with what actually happened in their cases. It's not even close to what the movie presents as fact of what happened. And most of them are working for the discovery institute, an overtly religious organization that's one sole purpose is to spread conservative christianity through the destruction of what they view as conflicting science through any means necessary.