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foont said:
Ok. Let's put it this way:

Would it be appropriate to have a game set in a fictional American city (similar to New York, but NOT New York) in which one of your missions in the game is to knock down two tall, identical buildings (or towers, if you will) with a couple of airplanes? Oh, and you play as characters from the middle east. But it's TOTALLY just a coincidence that it looks like 9/11 because the enemies in the buildings are aliens or locusts or goombas or something...

Or would some people be understandably offended by that? I think a lot of people would be, and I think they would be justified in feeling that way.




 

I see nothing wrong with that. Just because some would be offended by that, who cares? It's a free country, people are FREE to offend others.



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foont said:
windbane said:

Africans are over genocide in their respective countries, but I really don't think they are going to raise as much ruckus over this game as you are.

 

Really? That's your argument? I really hope there was supposed to be a "not" in there somewhere.

 

Also, why does it matter who raises a ruckus? Why should only Africans be offended by this? I'm offended by this as a human being.

I'm offended because it could potentially perpetuate subterranean fears and prejudices.

 

 

Of course I meant aren't, which is why I compared it to not being over WW2 when Star Wars used the imagery.

I'm offended at people like you saying it could potentially perpetuate fears and prejudices when it's no different than the previous games and you are treating this one differently because it happens to be black people.

What does it matter who raises a ruckus?! It matters a lot! If you are trying to be some knight-in-shining-armor for a group of people that doesn't freaking care then what exactly is the goal you are trying to accomplish?

If we removed every single thing that might be offensive to someone, we wouldn't have anything left. I'm sure Star Wars was offensive to some people.

 



windbane said:

So instead of arguing that it's racist, you are giving up that angle and saying it's offensive to Africans.  Those scenes show that it was fine in Star Wars (and KZ2) for using villians similar to Hitler and his army.  But I guess we were over WW2 then, huh?  I really doubt it.

Africans are over genocide in their respective countries, but I really don't think they are going to raise as much ruckus over this game as you are.

Just saw the bolded.

Do you know that there are genocides going on in Africa right now?



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theRepublic said:

windbane said:

So instead of arguing that it's racist, you are giving up that angle and saying it's offensive to Africans. Those scenes show that it was fine in Star Wars (and KZ2) for using villians similar to Hitler and his army. But I guess we were over WW2 then, huh? I really doubt it.

Africans are over genocide in their respective countries, but I really don't think they are going to raise as much ruckus over this game as you are.

Just saw the bolded.

Do you know that there are genocides going on in Africa right now?

Corrected above.  You know, if you guys would read the context of what I said then you'd realize it was a typo.  I was comparing it to the Star Wars imagery.  Also, if they were over it, I would have used the conjuction "so" instead of "but."  I apologize for the typo.

 



theRepublic said:

windbane said:

So instead of arguing that it's racist, you are giving up that angle and saying it's offensive to Africans.  Those scenes show that it was fine in Star Wars (and KZ2) for using villians similar to Hitler and his army.  But I guess we were over WW2 then, huh?  I really doubt it.

Africans are over genocide in their respective countries, but I really don't think they are going to raise as much ruckus over this game as you are.

Just saw the bolded.

Do you know that there are genocides going on in Africa right now?

 

They're killing eachother though, whites have nothing to do with it.

If anything, in these days and ages, a black person killing another black man should be more offensive than a white man killing a black man, because Africans are killing eachother now.



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drboot said:
theRepublic said:

windbane said:

So instead of arguing that it's racist, you are giving up that angle and saying it's offensive to Africans. Those scenes show that it was fine in Star Wars (and KZ2) for using villians similar to Hitler and his army. But I guess we were over WW2 then, huh? I really doubt it.

Africans aren't (corrected) over genocide in their respective countries, but I really don't think they are going to raise as much ruckus over this game as you are.

Just saw the bolded.

Do you know that there are genocides going on in Africa right now?

 

They're killing eachother though, whites have nothing to do with it.

If anything, in these days and ages, a black person killing another black man should be more offensive than a white man killing a black man, because Africans are killing eachother now.

Ah, but now they'll just say the female co-star makes it wrong.  Look, people are killing each other everywhere.  There is black on black and white on black and black on white and white on white crime and every other racial combination in America.  And yet, we still have shows like Law and Order.  Is that offensive?

 



windbane said:
foont said:
windbane said:

 

Of course I meant aren't, which is why I compared it to not being over WW2 when Star Wars used the imagery.

I'm offended at people like you saying it could potentially perpetuate fears and prejudices when it's no different than the previous games and you are treating this one differently because it happens to be black people.

What does it matter who raises a ruckus?! It matters a lot! If you are trying to be some knight-in-shining-armor for a group of people that doesn't freaking care then what exactly is the goal you are trying to accomplish?

If we removed every single thing that might be offensive to someone, we wouldn't have anything left. I'm sure Star Wars was offensive to some people.

 

Don't patronise my argument like that.

I'm not trying to save the world, I'm just trying to bring another side to this argument It's too easy to just brush these things off and say that they don't matter. I wish they didn't matter, but for a lot of people they do.

 

I'm also not suggesting we remove every single offensive thing. Personally, I love when things are offensive when it's for a reason. I love it when shows like South Park are offensive because they do it with the intent of being ironic and pointing out how ridiculous something is.

 

The issue I have with RE5's imagery is that it seems to be done without critical intent. Maybe the finished game will end up having a socially conscious narrative that questions and discusses negative stereotypes and the dangers of mob mentality, but maybe not.

 

That said, it's not like everything needs to be socially conscious. But if a game uses inflammatory imagery, it should be able to back it up with some substance. When Spike Lee used blackface as a device in Bamboozled, he did it to make a point. If someone just wore black face because they thought it was funny, isn't that kind of inappropriate?

 



foont said:
windbane said:
foont said:
windbane said:

 

Of course I meant aren't, which is why I compared it to not being over WW2 when Star Wars used the imagery.

I'm offended at people like you saying it could potentially perpetuate fears and prejudices when it's no different than the previous games and you are treating this one differently because it happens to be black people.

What does it matter who raises a ruckus?! It matters a lot! If you are trying to be some knight-in-shining-armor for a group of people that doesn't freaking care then what exactly is the goal you are trying to accomplish?

If we removed every single thing that might be offensive to someone, we wouldn't have anything left. I'm sure Star Wars was offensive to some people.

 

Don't patronise my argument like that.

I'm not trying to save the world, I'm just trying to bring another side to this argument It's too easy to just brush these things off and say that they don't matter. I wish they didn't matter, but for a lot of people they do.

 

I'm also not suggesting we remove every single offensive thing. Personally, I love when things are offensive when it's for a reason. I love it when shows like South Park are offensive because they do it with the intent of being ironic and pointing out how ridiculous something is.

 

The issue I have with RE5's imagery is that it seems to be done without critical intent. Maybe the finished game will end up having a socially conscious narrative that questions and discusses negative stereotypes and the dangers of mob mentality, but maybe not.

 

That said, it's not like everything needs to be socially conscious. But if a game uses inflammatory imagery, it should be able to back it up with some substance. When Spike Lee used blackface as a device in Bamboozled, he did it to make a point. If someone just wore black face because they thought it was funny, isn't that kind of inappropriate?

 

Whether something is inappropriate or not should bear no relevance. If it is legal, then do using your right to freedom of speech and expression. Don't bend over if something tries to push you for exercising your rights.



drboot said:
foont said:

 

Whether something is inappropriate or not should bear no relevance. If it is legal, then do using your right to freedom of speech and expression. Don't bend over if something tries to push you for exercising your rights.

I'm not denying freedom of speech. Of course anyone is free to do as they want. That's why the KKK still exists.

I'm not saying that no one has the right to use this sort of imagery, I'm only questioning whether or not it's responsible in this context.

 

 



hey i figured it out--so its a bi weapon right

 

jus tput them in these big biohazard suits and you will never know he is a white guy

 

i mean it would be something like this