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bugrimmar on 06 February 2009
MrBubbles said:
so what is considered established to you? series created before this generation? anything created before today?

 

hmm.

established to me would mean that the franchise has garnered a respectable amount of sales (will vary since different genres have different expectations) and that the name has lasted for at least a year. i just thought of this out of my head right now so maybe i'll modify this definition later.

but everyone knows what i mean. any core non-nintendo new IP or semi-new IP will fail (name has lasted less than a year, a la dead space).

any final fantasy, metal gear, monster hunter, devil may cry, tekken, street fighter, guitar hero, rock band, etc. etc. will of course enjoy good sales.



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bugrimmar on 06 February 2009
Demotruk said:
Well, you have to judge failure fairly. For instance, would you call No More Heroes a failure? It is likely to go gold in it's lifetime. That doesn't sound like much but it's far better than anything Suda-51 has done before, and they were extremely happy with it's sales.

So you have to qualify what you mean by 'failure'. If you look at No More Heroes the way I do, then your prediction is already incorrect.

 

ok here's my uniform standard for failure:

if a game sells far less than the average for the genre that it is in, it is a failure. example, call of duty: world at war sold substantially less than the ps3/360 versions. it is a failure. if the conduit happens to sell far less than the average sales for a shooter (i'm not comparing it to call of duty, but the average), then it is a failure.



Phoenix_Wiight on 06 February 2009
bugrimmar said:
Demotruk said:
Well, you have to judge failure fairly. For instance, would you call No More Heroes a failure? It is likely to go gold in it's lifetime. That doesn't sound like much but it's far better than anything Suda-51 has done before, and they were extremely happy with it's sales.

So you have to qualify what you mean by 'failure'. If you look at No More Heroes the way I do, then your prediction is already incorrect.

 

ok here's my uniform standard for failure:

if a game sells far less than the average for the genre that it is in, it is a failure. example, call of duty: world at war sold substantially less than the ps3/360 versions. it is a failure. if the conduit happens to sell far less than the average sales for a shooter (i'm not comparing it to call of duty, but the average), then it is a failure.

 

thats not really fair for cod. it may be at .65 right now, but it has the chance to sell up to 1mil + and thats definitely not a failure, even tho its less than the others



bugrimmar on 06 February 2009
Phoenix_Wiight said:
bugrimmar said:
Demotruk said:
Well, you have to judge failure fairly. For instance, would you call No More Heroes a failure? It is likely to go gold in it's lifetime. That doesn't sound like much but it's far better than anything Suda-51 has done before, and they were extremely happy with it's sales.

So you have to qualify what you mean by 'failure'. If you look at No More Heroes the way I do, then your prediction is already incorrect.

 

ok here's my uniform standard for failure:

if a game sells far less than the average for the genre that it is in, it is a failure. example, call of duty: world at war sold substantially less than the ps3/360 versions. it is a failure. if the conduit happens to sell far less than the average sales for a shooter (i'm not comparing it to call of duty, but the average), then it is a failure.

 

thats not really fair for cod. it may be at .65 right now, but it has the chance to sell up to 1mil + and thats definitely not a failure, even tho its less than the others

 

call of duty: world at war wii is a failure because in comparison to ps3/360, it sold far less. the comparison, in this case, is (cod wii) vs. (cod ps3/360).

if, for example, it wasn't called call of duty and it sold that amount, then it's not a failure since the comparison would be (wii shooter) vs. (all shooters).



xcot on 06 February 2009

^in that case we should also take into account development cost and assume that nearly every new wii IP has made a bigger profit than most new 360 IPs?

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bugrimmar on 06 February 2009

^i'm not here to argue about profit or speculate on development costs. i'm here to argue about number of people actually buying the games. who knows how much they really make when they sell a disc?

all i'm saying is third party core wii games without an established franchise element will sell really badly (quantity wise) in comparison to others in it's genre or multiplatform counterparts.



izaaz101 on 06 February 2009

New Wii 3rd Party Core IP



Naum on 06 February 2009

Must start somewhere you know.

How successfull were all the new games for PS2? Wii is this generation PS2.



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bugrimmar on 06 February 2009

^no.

new wii 3rd party core IP
if in the case of cod:waw where there were other versions:

wii version (far less than)



mesoteto on 06 February 2009

In all honesty it sound like you really just wanting everything to fail so no matter how well it does you will dub it a failure

I mean the wii could have the cond. Come out to 750k sales but since other x game had 800k, its now a failure (even if at probably 500k cond is going to turn a profit and get a sequel)

And you have yet to answer how all the past successes prove or disprove what your thinking here