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I've come to the conclusion that debating religious is perhaps the most stupid and pointless thing that you could do. I mean, a person's life can be based around the teachings of a religion. The job they work, the family they grew up in, the children they'll raise, the friends that they'll make.

They're not going to change anything because some kid on a forum said that the book they study is bullshit. (You could probably find me saying something different in earlier posts, I've only recently realised this).

Also @OT, you spelt my name wrong... there's only one "l" (this is a common mistake that other members are making, I wonder why).



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epsilon72 said:
Soleron said:
mrstickball said:
Soleron, they're called denominations.

I know.

@Everyone

The beliefs of each denomination do contradict the others,so it's probably still best to list people under the labels they give. Even if you're certain they would be OK with being listed under Christian, you'd otherwise still be deciding their group for them.

 

That's like saying it would be bad to call someone "human" because they might not belong to a specific race.  None of them will say "I'm not a Christian".

 

Genetically, there is more variation within "races" than between them. Just as with religion, membership of race is solely based on whether the person identifies with that label. Otherwise, it is a worthless concept.

To put all e.g. people who have responded "Baptist" under Christian is wrong not because they aren't Christian but because they haven't chosen to put "Christian" in their response. Why would people say "Baptist" if they don't want to be listed under Baptist?

 



Soleron said:
epsilon72 said:
Soleron said:
mrstickball said:
Soleron, they're called denominations.

I know.

@Everyone

The beliefs of each denomination do contradict the others,so it's probably still best to list people under the labels they give. Even if you're certain they would be OK with being listed under Christian, you'd otherwise still be deciding their group for them.

 

That's like saying it would be bad to call someone "human" because they might not belong to a specific race.  None of them will say "I'm not a Christian".

 

Genetically, there is more variation within "races" than between them. Just as with religion, membership of race is solely based on whether the person identifies with that label. Otherwise, it is a worthless concept.

To put all e.g. people who have responded "Baptist" under Christian is wrong not because they aren't Christian but because they haven't chosen to put "Christian" in their response. Why would people say "Baptist" if they don't want to be listed under Baptist?

Have you ever been to a church of a specific denomination, and understood why they call themselves a Baptist, Pentecostal, Charasmatic, or any of the other 5,000 denominations? Or are you just spouting nonsense having never gone to churches and talked to Baptists, or any other Christians?

The central core of Christanity is Christ. All denominations believe Jesus Christ is the son of God. Therefore all are Christian. All have various practical commitments to the Church, as well as their take on orthodoxy. For the most part, the greater part of denominations split hairs. That's why we have ecumenical councils that 95% of all churches participate in. If you want to really lump Christianity into different divisions, please do it along the proper lines of Catholic/Protestant rather than splitting by Lutheran, Baptist, and the others. Again, I can assure you that the VAST majority of Protestant churches believe nearly the same thing. Some commitments are different, and that is it. I've been in church my whole life (24 years), I can assure you this is the case. I, as a Pentecostal, can go and enjoy a Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran or Nazerine service just as much as Pentecostal one, and be accepted into most fellowships. Most, if not all, Protestant churches have Open Communion - showing that they do believe that Christianity is far bigger than their church, or denomination.

It's kind of like arguing if your a PS3, X360 or Wii fan. Regardless of your take as to which is the best console of choice, you are still a gamer. Christianity is the same way. To argue against this shows your total lack of understanding of the Christian faith.

Better yet, why not ask those that posted 'Baptist' or any other specific denomination if they are Christians, too. I have a feeling they will say that they are

 

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I belong to Christian Reformed Denomination, and I am a Christian



mrstickball said:
Soleron said:
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Genetically, there is more variation within "races" than between them. Just as with religion, membership of race is solely based on whether the person identifies with that label. Otherwise, it is a worthless concept.

To put all e.g. people who have responded "Baptist" under Christian is wrong not because they aren't Christian but because they haven't chosen to put "Christian" in their response. Why would people say "Baptist" if they don't want to be listed under Baptist?

Have you ever been to a church of a specific denomination, and understood why they call themselves a Baptist, Pentecostal, Charasmatic, or any of the other 5,000 denominations? Or are you just spouting nonsense having never gone to churches and talked to Baptists, or any other Christians?

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It's kind of like arguing if your a PS3, X360 or Wii fan. Regardless of your take as to which is the best console of choice, you are still a gamer. Christianity is the same way. To argue against this shows your total lack of understanding of the Christian faith.

Better yet, why not ask those that posted 'Baptist' or any other specific denomination if they are Christians, too. I have a feeling they will say that they are

 

 

Fine, I will reduce my point to a single statement. If you still disagree, that's fine. I'm not saying they're not Christian! For the record, I've never attended a church, never learned Christian teaching of any kind beyond compulsory RE, and am not basing this on religion-specific logic. Here it is:

You should list people under the label they have posted because that's why they posted it.

 

 



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Soleron said:
mrstickball said:
Soleron said:
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Genetically, there is more variation within "races" than between them. Just as with religion, membership of race is solely based on whether the person identifies with that label. Otherwise, it is a worthless concept.

To put all e.g. people who have responded "Baptist" under Christian is wrong not because they aren't Christian but because they haven't chosen to put "Christian" in their response. Why would people say "Baptist" if they don't want to be listed under Baptist?

Have you ever been to a church of a specific denomination, and understood why they call themselves a Baptist, Pentecostal, Charasmatic, or any of the other 5,000 denominations? Or are you just spouting nonsense having never gone to churches and talked to Baptists, or any other Christians?

[cut]

It's kind of like arguing if your a PS3, X360 or Wii fan. Regardless of your take as to which is the best console of choice, you are still a gamer. Christianity is the same way. To argue against this shows your total lack of understanding of the Christian faith.

Better yet, why not ask those that posted 'Baptist' or any other specific denomination if they are Christians, too. I have a feeling they will say that they are

 

 

Fine, I will reduce my point to a single statement. If you still disagree, that's fine. I'm not saying they're not Christian! For the record, I've never attended a church, never learned Christian teaching of any kind beyond compulsory RE, and am not basing this on religion-specific logic. Here it is:

You should list people under the label they have posted because that's why they posted it.

If that's the case, then why did the OP fail to label all atheists differently if they stated it? Some are 'strong atheists' and some mere 'atheists'. What about Blacksaber the Jewish Atheist? What about highwaystar's 110% Atheist? Rath's Weak Atheist?

Why are some Christians the only ones that are being labeled under different religions, yet the OP failed to do the same for others? Just curious.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

mrstickball said:
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If that's the case, then why did the OP fail to label all atheists differently if they stated it? Some are 'strong atheists' and some mere 'atheists'. What about Blacksaber the Jewish Atheist? What about highwaystar's 110% Atheist? Rath's Weak Atheist?

Why are some Christians the only ones that are being labeled under different religions, yet the OP failed to do the same for others? Just curious.

OK. I give in.



Christian.
and SamuelRSmith, couldn't you say the same thing about Atheism? ;)



Muslim



I never understood the concept that, this God being so perfect and all, wouldn´t have known there would be the 'fall of man' and the whole *** that would result from it.

If God (the one in the Bible) is the truly omnipotent know-it-all entity, wouldn´t it have been foreseen?....even so, creates man knowing how things would go?...It sounds like a game and we´re chess pieces.

Or is it something far more complicated than that?

Damn, there are so many unanswered question, so much darkness (even for those who claim to have 'seen the light')..we´re all left out in the dark.. just wondering this, that, if, when, what, how, etc...

People are born, grow a conciousness, then they either believe purely on faith or are condemned forever?...Sounds like a game, and you´re part of it whether you want it or not.