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MontanaHatchet on 25 January 2009
Shadowblind said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
MontanaHatchet said:
RayRay102 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
So an RTS, a JRPG, and a downloadable content pack, versus...quite possibly the most hyped PS3 game to date? Star Ocean 4 would be lucky to hit a million, and calling the DLC pack a game or anything close to it is pathetic. It's not like either would be in competition with Killzone 2 anyways even if they were significant. Halo Wars could be a decent threat, but Sony had much more deadly titles in holiday season '08 and they fell flat on their faces. And Microsoft comes around with their niche games and they think they're a threat to Killzone 2?

 

 I remeber all the PS3 fanboys keep saying all the 360 has is FPS. Now the system has diversity and you call them niche titles. Haha, you are funny man. Wll, guess what? KZ2 is a FPS...

Umm, it doesn't matter. The 360 has always had diversity just like any other system, even from its launch. Just because the titles are diversified doesn't mean they're popular or are going to be popular. Shooters, Racers, and Platformers are big genres. RTSs, JRPGs, and random downloadable content packs that aren't actually games are not. You're funny. Killzone 2 is an FPS, I'm glad you're able to recognize genres. I suppose you should get a cookie, considering your kinds words as well.

P.S. Whatever happened to Ninja Blade? Is that no longer a threatening title now that everyone knows it will be average?

 

Ninja Blade is a mid-march title, its too far away from KZ2. GTA:LAD is a 10 hour expansion.

If you can play it, its a game. SImple as that. The fact that you think its not a game is laughable. And its packing the GTA name, and thats a BIG name, far bigger then the name Killzone.

 

I'm aware of when Ninja Blade is coming out, but I remember it being used as a killer title. Maybe it was just for the beginning of the year and not to compete against Killzone 2. And it's "laughable" that I don't think Lost and Damned is a game? Should I consider the map packs for Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War games now? After all, I can play them. They're downloadable content. Thus, they must be games. Yet I don't remember people marking the release dates for the Legendary map packs as some sort of threat against the PS3.

 

 

 Now I agree with you that GTAIV expansion won't do anything to Killzone's sales but saying its like a map pack is just stupid. Its like saying that Wrath of the Lich king isn't a game either.

That's...not...what...I...said. It's pretty nerve-wracking to have to argue with several people at once when they don't even give good arguments. I was arguing that by his criteria, even something as simple as a map pack could be considered a game.

 



 

 

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MontanaHatchet on 25 January 2009
RayRay102 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
MontanaHatchet said:
RayRay102 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
So an RTS, a JRPG, and a downloadable content pack, versus...quite possibly the most hyped PS3 game to date? Star Ocean 4 would be lucky to hit a million, and calling the DLC pack a game or anything close to it is pathetic. It's not like either would be in competition with Killzone 2 anyways even if they were significant. Halo Wars could be a decent threat, but Sony had much more deadly titles in holiday season '08 and they fell flat on their faces. And Microsoft comes around with their niche games and they think they're a threat to Killzone 2?

 

 I remeber all the PS3 fanboys keep saying all the 360 has is FPS. Now the system has diversity and you call them niche titles. Haha, you are funny man. Wll, guess what? KZ2 is a FPS...

Umm, it doesn't matter. The 360 has always had diversity just like any other system, even from its launch. Just because the titles are diversified doesn't mean they're popular or are going to be popular. Shooters, Racers, and Platformers are big genres. RTSs, JRPGs, and random downloadable content packs that aren't actually games are not. You're funny. Killzone 2 is an FPS, I'm glad you're able to recognize genres. I suppose you should get a cookie, considering your kinds words as well.

P.S. Whatever happened to Ninja Blade? Is that no longer a threatening title now that everyone knows it will be average?

 

Ninja Blade is a mid-march title, its too far away from KZ2. GTA:LAD is a 10 hour expansion.

If you can play it, its a game. SImple as that. The fact that you think its not a game is laughable. And its packing the GTA name, and thats a BIG name, far bigger then the name Killzone.

 

I'm aware of when Ninja Blade is coming out, but I remember it being used as a killer title. Maybe it was just for the beginning of the year and not to compete against Killzone 2. And it's "laughable" that I don't think Lost and Damned is a game? Should I consider the map packs for Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War games now? After all, I can play them. They're downloadable content. Thus, they must be games. Yet I don't remember people marking the release dates for the Legendary map packs as some sort of threat against the PS3. Don't forget that Halo 3 has sold more than GTA4 and has a larger online community. The name for GTA may be bigger than Killzone but that still has very little to do with sales of a DLC pack. Those who plan to buy Lost and Damned probably already bought GTA4 on the 360, and I doubt it will be that much more effective than when it was first announced god-knows-how-long-ago.

 

 

 Dude, you are dellusional. It is not a map pack DLC, it has a brand new 10 hour campaign along with new characters, story and vehicles...you tell me that is the same as a 800 point MAP PACK? Clearly, you don't own a x360. I guess the PS3 DLC is all MAP PACK an furniture for HOME. J/K :)

Do you always resort to personal attacks and trolling whenever you don't know how to argue? I was saying how by your standards, a map pack could be considered DLC. It's like no one knows how to read. I do own a 360, as well as a PS3 and Wii. I don't let my console favoritism get to my head, and just because I'm willing to argue against stupidity doesn't mean I don't own _______ console. And now I'll have to warn you for trolling as well as respond to some more people. Great.

Hammer of Dawn: Well it really depends. If Lost and Damned is a separate retail game and can be played without accessing GTA4 first, then I would agree that it's a game. Main problem is that it's still not competition for Killzone 2. It will sell well, and I'm sure it will be popular over Xbox Live. But if GTA4 itself didn't provide huge boosts for the 360's hardware, what can we expect from its downloadable content? I've already argued why the games won't be much of a threat, and I'm not sure I know much about the other titles coming out at the time. Stoked...that's a snowboarding game right? Never even heard of Race Pro...you seem to be underestimating Killzone 2 quite a bit.

 



 

 

RayRay102 on 25 January 2009

Like I said earlier, I have no doubt Killzone 2 will be huge but my point is it is only one game. So what if a game is a RTS, it is Halo and is has the new HALO Map pack included in the LE, it will sell at least a couple millions ast least.

Also, JRPG is not a major genre now? Final Fantasy say Hi. I admit,it won't sell that well outside of Japan, but it is a major genre believe it or not.

I alreadhy went over the GTA DLC issue earlier as to why it should be considered a game.

X360 has more games to play regardless of Genre, hype, etc than the PS3, and it should continue to maintain its momemtum in 2009.



SlumsofOhio on 25 January 2009

A JRPG ON THE 360, and you dare compare it to Final Fantasy? I'm done here.



                                   

Shadowblind on 25 January 2009
RayRay102 said:
Like I said earlier, I have no doubt Killzone 2 will be huge but my point is it is only one game. So what if a game is a RTS, it is Halo and is has the new HALO Map pack included in the LE, it will sell at least a couple millions ast least.

Also, JRPG is not a major genre now? Final Fantasy say Hi. I admit,it won't sell that well outside of Japan, but it is a major genre believe it or not.

I alreadhy went over the GTA DLC issue earlier as to why it should be considered a game.

X360 has more games to play regardless of Genre, hype, etc than the PS3, and it should continue to maintain its momemtum in 2009.

 

Oh I believe Star Ocean 4 will do much better here then many of you think. Hitting a million may not be so tough for it. Many reasons why.

 

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luisgvm on 25 January 2009

yes but i think that sony is going to counter so4 in japan with the release of yakuza 3 and demons souls right? and i dont think that the dlc should be counted i mean is a download dlc right? but if they are selling it in physical format then it should be counted.



RPG on 25 January 2009
Shadowblind said:
RPG said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
RPG said:
As many people are saying Killzone 2 was never going to be a big system seller, fanboys on gaming sites say it will be and then we have a snowball affect.

 

 How will internet forum hype make its way to the average consumer that doesnt spend time on gaming forums? lol cmon.......

Even if it were true, those people would walk into a store, see the $400-$500 price.........and half the people will then and there either walk away or see what the 360/Wii offers.

The PS3 price is keeping its AAA games from really being system sellers.

 

Read my post again, I said it will not be a big system seller but fanboys on gaming sites make it the second coming of Jesus. Killzone 2 will not sell systems but what it will do is sell very well, with Killzone 2 I see a game which will sell 4M LTD but not sell many systems.

If, sorry when Sony fuck up advertising again word of mouth will give the game legs, much like COD 4 did. I enevr paid much attention to games before, then a friend told me that COD 4 was awesome and I went and purchased. If the Beta and early reviews are anything to go by then the same will happen with Killzone 2.

The hype for Killzone 2 is almost that of MGS4. I don't think your prediction is too far off, whether it will deserve it or not. Plus, it looks like Call of Duty: Killzone from a consumer stand point, and that'll sell it fine. If Sqeenix made Star Ocean LOOK like FF then it'd probably sell a good bit off of that fact. Which I'm actually thinking they did do :P. Now all they need to do is market it like a Final Fantasy.

 

 

My friends dont care much for gaming but all own a PS3 due to GT5 however they are suckers for shiny graphics. A good ol' advert showing the pretty graphics and you will be amazed how many people will be suckered in to buy it. Even Sony cannor screw this one up with there adverts, just some gameplay will be enough for people to buy the game.



 

RayRay102 on 25 January 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
RayRay102 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
MontanaHatchet said:
RayRay102 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
So an RTS, a JRPG, and a downloadable content pack, versus...quite possibly the most hyped PS3 game to date? Star Ocean 4 would be lucky to hit a million, and calling the DLC pack a game or anything close to it is pathetic. It's not like either would be in competition with Killzone 2 anyways even if they were significant. Halo Wars could be a decent threat, but Sony had much more deadly titles in holiday season '08 and they fell flat on their faces. And Microsoft comes around with their niche games and they think they're a threat to Killzone 2?

 

 I remeber all the PS3 fanboys keep saying all the 360 has is FPS. Now the system has diversity and you call them niche titles. Haha, you are funny man. Wll, guess what? KZ2 is a FPS...

Umm, it doesn't matter. The 360 has always had diversity just like any other system, even from its launch. Just because the titles are diversified doesn't mean they're popular or are going to be popular. Shooters, Racers, and Platformers are big genres. RTSs, JRPGs, and random downloadable content packs that aren't actually games are not. You're funny. Killzone 2 is an FPS, I'm glad you're able to recognize genres. I suppose you should get a cookie, considering your kinds words as well.

P.S. Whatever happened to Ninja Blade? Is that no longer a threatening title now that everyone knows it will be average?

 

Ninja Blade is a mid-march title, its too far away from KZ2. GTA:LAD is a 10 hour expansion.

If you can play it, its a game. SImple as that. The fact that you think its not a game is laughable. And its packing the GTA name, and thats a BIG name, far bigger then the name Killzone.

 

I'm aware of when Ninja Blade is coming out, but I remember it being used as a killer title. Maybe it was just for the beginning of the year and not to compete against Killzone 2. And it's "laughable" that I don't think Lost and Damned is a game? Should I consider the map packs for Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War games now? After all, I can play them. They're downloadable content. Thus, they must be games. Yet I don't remember people marking the release dates for the Legendary map packs as some sort of threat against the PS3. Don't forget that Halo 3 has sold more than GTA4 and has a larger online community. The name for GTA may be bigger than Killzone but that still has very little to do with sales of a DLC pack. Those who plan to buy Lost and Damned probably already bought GTA4 on the 360, and I doubt it will be that much more effective than when it was first announced god-knows-how-long-ago.

 

 

 Dude, you are dellusional. It is not a map pack DLC, it has a brand new 10 hour campaign along with new characters, story and vehicles...you tell me that is the same as a 800 point MAP PACK? Clearly, you don't own a x360. I guess the PS3 DLC is all MAP PACK an furniture for HOME. J/K :)

Do you always resort to personal attacks and trolling whenever you don't know how to argue? I was saying how by your standards, a map pack could be considered DLC. It's like no one knows how to read. I do own a 360, as well as a PS3 and Wii. I don't let my console favoritism get to my head, and just because I'm willing to argue against stupidity doesn't mean I don't own _______ console. And now I'll have to warn you for trolling as well as respond to some more people. Great.

Hammer of Dawn: Well it really depends. If Lost and Damned is a separate retail game and can be played without accessing GTA4 first, then I would agree that it's a game. Main problem is that it's still not competition for Killzone 2. It will sell well, and I'm sure it will be popular over Xbox Live. But if GTA4 itself didn't provide huge boosts for the 360's hardware, what can we expect from its downloadable content? I've already argued why the games won't be much of a threat, and I'm not sure I know much about the other titles coming out at the time. Stoked...that's a snowboarding game right? Never even heard of Race Pro...you seem to be underestimating Killzone 2 quite a bit.

 

 

 I created this thread and you are the one that is posting 20 posts will your nonsense of niche genre and DLC don't count BS. And why even bring Ninja Blade up for discussion when I didn't even memtion it at the beginning.

If you don't have any logical comment please stop posting.



MontanaHatchet on 25 January 2009
RayRay102 said:
Like I said earlier, I have no doubt Killzone 2 will be huge but my point is it is only one game. So what if a game is a RTS, it is Halo and is has the new HALO Map pack included in the LE, it will sell at least a couple millions ast least.

Also, JRPG is not a major genre now? Final Fantasy say Hi. I admit,it won't sell that well outside of Japan, but it is a major genre believe it or not.

I alreadhy went over the GTA DLC issue earlier as to why it should be considered a game.

X360 has more games to play regardless of Genre, hype, etc than the PS3, and it should continue to maintain its momemtum in 2009.

Well if your point was that it was only one game, why were you scrounging for 360 exclusives to put against it, acting as if the PS3 had no other games coming out at the time and that it would be hurt by games on a different platform? JRPGs are not a major genre because for the most part, the sales for the genre are in one or two series and they're quickly losing their worldwide appeal. And the last line was just...blah. Why bother?

Responding to your last post, I will post where I want and if you can't argue maturely then that's your own problem.

 



 

 

Bullet100000 on 25 January 2009

I think the Smarter thing for M$ would have been to release Halo ODST instead of Halo wars to better compete with the KZ2.

but three against one still ain't bad.



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